BOHICA! Weiner's Bill to Restrict GA

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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I have no source other than reading it in New England newspapers back
in
1969 - 1971.

Uh, and which of Kerry's "associates" were implicated in this alleged
forgery, according to your uncorroborated 35-year-old recollection?

VVAW was doing some of that, yes. However, I have no stamps with Kerry's
DNA
on them. I might point out that the complaints former POWs have about
Kerry
are also 35 year old recollections. I guess if you want, you can say that
anything that happened that long ago did not happen. That would be your
typical liberal response: if you don't like the truth, accuse others of
lying.

I haven't accused you of lying, CJ. I just think you live in a parallel
universe where 35-year-old newspaper articles implicating "Kerry and
associates" in a forgery have somehow vanished from all the archives,
leaving your personal recollection of those articles as the sole remaining
testament. (Meanwhile, in your universe as revealed in another recent
thread, Bush had not been informed of the second WTC crash or explicitly
told "We are under attack" just before he spent seven minutes reading "My
Pet Goat". Apparently your world is so glutted with fanciful events that
there's no room left for the real ones.)

"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood. Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would like
to believe.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood. Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would like
to believe.

Ah, so I am not a liar, merely delusional. So, if a guy says he was fighting
in Cambodia in 1968 and listening to a Christmas broadcast by President
Nixon, is he a liar or delusional? And do you want his finger on the nuclear
trigger?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood. Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would
like to believe.

Ah, so I am not a liar, merely delusional.

Merely mis-remembering something from 35 years ago is a routine lapse and
does not constitute delusion. But to insist that a distant memory on a
partisan matter is necessarily reliable and requires no fact-checking, and
to cling to that memory in the absence of corroboration and in the presence
of
strong contrary evidence, is to willfully dwell in a fantasy world.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Lying" presupposes the ability to distinguish truth from falsehood.
Your
blithe dismissal of the need for corroboration (which would be readily
available in this instance if your recollection were accurate) shows
that
you don't even try to distinguish the truth from whatever you would
like to believe.

Ah, so I am not a liar, merely delusional.

Merely mis-remembering something from 35 years ago is a routine lapse and
does not constitute delusion. But to insist that a distant memory on a
partisan matter is necessarily reliable and requires no fact-checking, and
to cling to that memory in the absence of corroboration and in the
presence
of
strong contrary evidence, is to willfully dwell in a fantasy world.

I have seen no contrary evidence, strong or otherwise, to my memory of 35
years ago, nor has anyone even attempted to present any.

However, Kerry repeated his story about being in Cambodia in 1968 many times
over the years, even after the errors in it were pointed out to him. He also
continued to allege that war crimes by American troops were the norm, even
after it was pointed out to him that there was no evidence of that. He was
telling the story to the Boston Herald in 1979 (comparing his experiences
with the movie "Apocalypse Now"), which is a lot less than 35 years after
the fact.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=40056 is one
reference for this, but Google on "Kerry Cambodia 1968" will show numerous
discussions of the many times that he has told this lie.

I have to wonder about the fantasy world you live in. You seem perfectly
willing to swallow anything that Kerry has to say, but anyone who disagrees
with you is either a liar or delusional.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Merely mis-remembering something from 35 years ago is a routine lapse and
does not constitute delusion. But to insist that a distant memory on a
partisan matter is necessarily reliable and requires no fact-checking,
and
to cling to that memory in the absence of corroboration and in the
presence
of
strong contrary evidence, is to willfully dwell in a fantasy world.

I have seen no contrary evidence, strong or otherwise, to my memory of 35
years ago, nor has anyone even attempted to present any.

The evidence I presented consists of the observation that despite many
researchers (partisan and otherwise) poring over the public (and private)
record concerning both Kerry's and Bush's actions 35 years ago, no
right-wing blogger and no ratings-hungry corporate news outlet has
publicized the newspaper articles that allegedly link "Kerry and associates"
to what you claim they perpetrated: a cruel hoax in which they forged
telegrams that gave false notice of combat deaths!

I already pointed this evidence out to you (contrary to your assertion just
above). Incredibly, your response was that the forgery has not been
publicized because it is not interesting enough for anyone to care about!
Neither Kerry's enemies, nor the prime-time ratings-mongers, consider it
worth mentioning! That response shows the absurd lengths to which you will
go to rationalize your pet beliefs.

However, Kerry repeated his story about being in Cambodia in 1968 many
times
over the years, even after the errors in it were pointed out to him.

Kerry has acknolwedged the error and amended his statement accordingly. As I
said earlier, it is not remarkable for you (or Kerry, or anyone else) to
have years-old memories that drift from the facts. What is remarkable is is
your stalwart, systematic lack of concern for evidence.

I have to wonder about the fantasy world you live in. You seem perfectly
willing to swallow anything that Kerry has to say, but anyone who
disagrees
with you is either a liar or delusional.

Here again you are simply pulling imagined facts out of thin air, apparently
without even knowing or caring that you are doing so. Concerning your first
claim, I never "swallowed" Kerry's mistaken statement about 1968, and I
disagree with a great deal he says. You haven't the slightest reason to
believe the contrary, yet you blithely assert the contrary as fact.
Concerning your second claim, I have had numerous discussions in this very
newsgroup in which I disagreed with others, sometimes quite strongly,
without accusing them of dissembling or delusion. But that doesn't stop you
from asserting the contrary as fact. That is why I say you live in a
fantasy world. You have a pattern of saying and believing whatever is
convenient for you to say and believe, without even pausing to consider
whether it's true.

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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However, Kerry repeated his story about being in Cambodia in 1968 many
times
over the years, even after the errors in it were pointed out to him.

Kerry has acknolwedged the error and amended his statement accordingly.

He has not. He still claims to have been sent to Cambodia, only now he says
he got the year wrong. In order for that to have happened, Nixon would have
had to have ordered Kerry to Cambodia less than a month after taking office,
because that is when Kerry went home. Yet Kerry says he was sent there five
times, shot at by Christian Vietnamese celebrating Christmas, and listened
to a Christmas broadcast there. None of his crew members, even those that
support him, claim to have ever been sent to Cambodia.

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Merely mis-remembering something from 35 years ago is a routine lapse
and
does not constitute delusion. But to insist that a distant memory on a
partisan matter is necessarily reliable and requires no fact-checking,
and
to cling to that memory in the absence of corroboration and in the
presence
of
strong contrary evidence, is to willfully dwell in a fantasy world.

I have seen no contrary evidence, strong or otherwise, to my memory of
35
years ago, nor has anyone even attempted to present any.

The evidence I presented consists of the observation that despite many
researchers (partisan and otherwise) poring over the public (and private)
record concerning both Kerry's and Bush's actions 35 years ago, no
right-wing blogger and no ratings-hungry corporate news outlet has
publicized the newspaper articles that allegedly link "Kerry and
associates"
to what you claim they perpetrated: a cruel hoax in which they forged
telegrams that gave false notice of combat deaths!



That is not evidence. However, whoever sent out those telegrams did a great
service, albeit perhaps inadvertently. It finally forced the military to end
the appalling practice of notifying relatives of war casualties by telegram.