BOHICA! Weiner's Bill to Restrict GA

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
Merely mis-remembering something from 35 years ago is a routine lapse
and
does not constitute delusion. But to insist that a distant memory on a
partisan matter is necessarily reliable and requires no fact-checking,
and
to cling to that memory in the absence of corroboration and in the
presence
of
strong contrary evidence, is to willfully dwell in a fantasy world.

I have seen no contrary evidence, strong or otherwise, to my memory of
35
years ago, nor has anyone even attempted to present any.

The evidence I presented consists of the observation that despite many
researchers (partisan and otherwise) poring over the public (and private)
record concerning both Kerry's and Bush's actions 35 years ago, no
right-wing blogger and no ratings-hungry corporate news outlet has
publicized the newspaper articles that allegedly link "Kerry and
associates"
to what you claim they perpetrated: a cruel hoax in which they forged
telegrams that gave false notice of combat deaths!



That is not evidence. However, whoever sent out those telegrams did a great
service, albeit perhaps inadvertently. It finally forced the military to end
the appalling practice of notifying relatives of war casualties by telegram.

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

According to AOPA and EAA e-newsletters, a NY Congressman, aptly named
Weiner, proposes Dracinian measures against GA:


Update off AOPA's web site --

AOPA fights to stop Weiner bill in its tracks

AOPA is fighting in the halls of Congress to make sure that the anti-general aviation
bill (H.R. 5035) introduced by New York Democratic Congressman Anthony D. Weiner
doesn't even get a toehold.


There goes them thar politician, catering to the special interest groups
agin!

--
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"Ignorance is mankinds normal state,
alleviated by information and experience."
Veeduber

On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 02:24:48 GMT, Ernest Christley
wrote in
: :

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

According to AOPA and EAA e-newsletters, a NY Congressman, aptly named
Weiner, proposes Dracinian measures against GA:


Update off AOPA's web site --

AOPA fights to stop Weiner bill in its tracks

AOPA is fighting in the halls of Congress to make sure that the anti-general aviation
bill (H.R. 5035) introduced by New York Democratic Congressman Anthony D. Weiner
doesn't even get a toehold.


There goes them thar politician, catering to the special interest groups
agin!


Oh. You must mean the airline industry. :-)

I don't see anything confusing about the 2nd Amendment. Of course
the Libs will read it to their advantage.

It protects two things:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state,

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,

shall not be infringed."

Now the Libs will have you believe that the only right we have is
to bear them collectively under the banner of a militia. Not so.

Otis "From my cold dead hands" Winslow









" jls" wrote in message
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"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
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"Rutger" wrote in message
om...
RKBA.

I'll probably be sorry about asking, but what is the RKBA?

No you won't.


He's talking about the 2nd Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms as
expressed in the 2nd Amendment has been translated by Scotus as not
absolute. The right has been tied to the state militias as not an
individual right. Of course, I agree with Jefferson's interpretation of
the right to bear arms, being as the government always moves to get too
big
for its breeches and should sometimes be made to look down the business
end
of a gun barrel. However, I don't think Jefferson anticipated that the
barrels of the people's guns are puny and minuscule compared to those of
big
brother.

Well of course! Since so many on the far left are actually socialist and
communist they do not want anyone to have a gun or have that right. That way
they can make rules as they see fit , not to mention take everything you
have worked for for the good of the masses. Who else throughout history
thinks that way? Stalin, Lenin, Mao..even Hitler banned guns!
"OtisWinslow" wrote in message
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I don't see anything confusing about the 2nd Amendment. Of course
the Libs will read it to their advantage.

It protects two things:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free
state,

the right of the people to keep and bear Arms,

shall not be infringed."

Now the Libs will have you believe that the only right we have is
to bear them collectively under the banner of a militia. Not so.

Otis "From my cold dead hands" Winslow









" jls" wrote in message
t...

"Peter Gottlieb" wrote in message
. net...

"Rutger" wrote in message
om...
RKBA.

I'll probably be sorry about asking, but what is the RKBA?

No you won't.


He's talking about the 2nd Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms
as
expressed in the 2nd Amendment has been translated by Scotus as not
absolute. The right has been tied to the state militias as not an
individual right. Of course, I agree with Jefferson's interpretation
of
the right to bear arms, being as the government always moves to get too
big
for its breeches and should sometimes be made to look down the business
end
of a gun barrel. However, I don't think Jefferson anticipated that the
barrels of the people's guns are puny and minuscule compared to those of
big
brother.

On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:10:36 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote:

Well Pete I have defended the Constitution have you? VET USMC
fighting in the armed forces does not necessarily equate to defending
the Constitution. The contents of the Constitution are not affected by
Americans fighting overseas. What ultimately impacts the Constitution
is what happens in peacetime here in the continental USA.

When you enlist in the US Armed Forces you swear to defend the Constitution
against all enemies foreign and domestic. Though it can surely be debateable
about all activity on foreign soil, I do agree with here at home. And here
at home is where that sacred document is constantly trampled on by leftist
and an out of control judicial system. But don't think I am just picking on
Democrats, because I for one feel the Patriot Act is the most Unpatriotic
Act I have ever heard of.
In Afghanistan our troops are protecting the Constitution because the
idiots that attacked us are imbedded there. Iraq is a toss up! HA Though we
were actually only in an official cease fire from the first Gulf War , and
Iraq did not want to follow their own agreements so we attacked them again.
However the First Gulf War was NOT RIGHT. First Kuwait is a kingdom , so we
can not use the defending democracy thing, and since we had no protectional
treaty with that kingdom it really was none of our biz! Alot of modern
Presidents have that problem of sending our troops were they should not be,
Republicans and Democrats. Myself I do not feel we should send US troops
anywhere that a formal Declaration Of War by Congress as established in the
Constitution has been passed.
The terrorists are definitely a threat to the US and our
Constitution..but the biggest enemies are the politicians that scare people
into thinking they have to take our freedoms to be safe from terrorists or
even crooks on our streets. just think we have a political party that
screams First Amendment rights whenever their side has anything to say ,
even when it is just a blatent lie. But they do not feel vets who speak out
against their side should have those same rights. This same bunch feels it
is necessary to ban weapons against the very fabric and heart of the Second
Amendment. I fear the leftist more than a rag headed suicide bomber!
And let us not forget The Constitution was not written in peacetime. Nor
should we forget that Abraham Lincoln was the first President to throw it
aside and declare "the first Presidential Powers Act". He had anyone against
the Union ( Abe's side of it) put in federal Prison with no charges being
filed and held indefinitely....he even had the entire MAryland legislature
put in prison because he was afraid they would vote to secede! I don't think
any President since FDR has actually asked for war the" Constitutional way".
So even in times of conflict our Constitution can be in danger from within
as well as a enemy on the outside.
Just things to ponder!
"Graham Shevlin" wrote in message
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On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 18:10:36 -0400, "W P Dixon"
wrote:

Well Pete I have defended the Constitution have you? VET USMC
fighting in the armed forces does not necessarily equate to defending
the Constitution. The contents of the Constitution are not affected by
Americans fighting overseas. What ultimately impacts the Constitution
is what happens in peacetime here in the continental USA.

However the First Gulf War was NOT RIGHT. First Kuwait is a kingdom , so
we
can not use the defending democracy thing, and since we had no
protectional
treaty with that kingdom it really was none of our biz!
??????????????????????????????

wow! What a spin.

We went to free "Kuwait", because the legal rulers asked the U.N. to do so.
It was a U.N. action.

Or do you not agree with our participation in the U.N.?
--
Jim in NC


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Matter of fact I do not , this mess about the UN screwing us every chance
they get in Iraq is examples why. Oil for Food, Brie For Food,etc etc etc
"Morgans" wrote in message
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However the First Gulf War was NOT RIGHT. First Kuwait is a kingdom , so
we
can not use the defending democracy thing, and since we had no
protectional
treaty with that kingdom it really was none of our biz!
??????????????????????????????

wow! What a spin.

We went to free "Kuwait", because the legal rulers asked the U.N. to do
so.
It was a U.N. action.

Or do you not agree with our participation in the U.N.?
--
Jim in NC


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