Another Cirrus 'chute deployment

"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.

If it is baloney, show me even one single instance where a Cirrus recovered
from a spin.

"C J Campbell" wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.

If it is baloney, show me even one single instance where a Cirrus
recovered
from a spin.

sigh All right, I'll start digging. I know I've read that CD factory
pilots have recovered from spins many times: I'll find it. And BTW,
why are spin recovery procedures given in the POH?

Meanwhile, what backup have you got for your assertion that "None of the
Cirrus models will recover from a spin?" Certification standards
applied to the airplanes don't count.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

In article , Dan Luke wrote:

sigh All right, I'll start digging. I know I've read that CD factory
pilots have recovered from spins many times: I'll find it. And BTW,
why are spin recovery procedures given in the POH?

This is apparently one of those questions like "what color was Grant's
gray horse." There aren't any spin recovery procedures in at least a
three year old SR-20 POH. It says the only recovery method is to deploy
the chute.

Have they added procedures to newer handbooks?

Mike Beede

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.

If it is baloney, show me even one single instance where a Cirrus
recovered
from a spin.

sigh All right, I'll start digging. I know I've read that CD factory
pilots have recovered from spins many times: I'll find it. And BTW,
why are spin recovery procedures given in the POH?


Early manuals gave a theoretical method of spin recovery, but it has been
removed. The POH specifically says that the Cirrus has not been tested for
spin recovery, that intentional spins and recoveries are prohibited, and
that the only method approved for accidental spin recovery is deployment of
the BRS. Sounds an awful lot like "won't recover from a spin and has never
demonstrated recovery from a spin" to me.

C J Campbell wrote:

Early manuals gave a theoretical method of spin recovery, but it has been
removed. The POH specifically says that the Cirrus has not been tested for
spin recovery, that intentional spins and recoveries are prohibited, and
that the only method approved for accidental spin recovery is deployment of
the BRS. Sounds an awful lot like "won't recover from a spin and has never
demonstrated recovery from a spin" to me.

Nope, that's completely bogus. I have no idea why you insist on
disseminating bad information about the airplane.

The BRS is the only CERTIFIED method of recovery from an accidental
spin. Conventional spin recovery techniques are recommended prior to
BRS deployment. As such they are 'approved.'

The airplane has spun plenty of times during development.

-Ryan

"C J Campbell" writes:

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"C J Campbell" wrote:

"C J Campbell" wrote:
None of the Cirrus models will recover from a spin.

Oh, baloney, Chris.

If it is baloney, show me even one single instance where a Cirrus
recovered
from a spin.

sigh All right, I'll start digging. I know I've read that CD factory
pilots have recovered from spins many times: I'll find it. And BTW,
why are spin recovery procedures given in the POH?


Early manuals gave a theoretical method of spin recovery, but it has been
removed. The POH specifically says that the Cirrus has not been tested for
spin recovery, that intentional spins and recoveries are prohibited, and
that the only method approved for accidental spin recovery is deployment of
the BRS. Sounds an awful lot like "won't recover from a spin and has never
demonstrated recovery from a spin" to me.

A) It has been spun.

B) It's being spun again for certification overseas.

But don't let facts get in the way of your usual anti Cirrus diatribe.

-jav

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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A) It has been spun.

When, and by whom? Show me the data.


B) It's being spun again for certification overseas.

Fine for you to say that, but again why should I believe you instead of
Cirrus?


But don't let facts get in the way of your usual anti Cirrus diatribe.

Who says I am anti-Cirrus? The Cirrus manual says the airplane cannot
recover from a spin except by deploying CAPS. Is Cirrus anti-Cirrus?

"C J Campbell" writes:

"Javier Henderson" wrote in message
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A) It has been spun.

When, and by whom? Show me the data.

It's been posted here before. Factory test pilots.

B) It's being spun again for certification overseas.

Fine for you to say that, but again why should I believe you instead of
Cirrus?

Er... OK, well, it is being done, sorry it doesn't fit your agenda though.

Hey, have the rest of this thread, you're on a crusade and nothing will
convince you otherwise.

Well, at least you dropped that stupid argument about the airframe
lifetime limitation.

-jav

Howdy!

In article ,
C J Campbell wrote:

[snip]

Who says I am anti-Cirrus? The Cirrus manual says the airplane cannot
recover from a spin except by deploying CAPS. Is Cirrus anti-Cirrus?

The following was quoted elsewhere in the thread:

(Cirrus Airplane Parachute System - CAPS) The minimum demonstrated
altitude loss for a CAPS deployment from a one-turn spin is 920
feet. Activation at higher altitudes provides enhanced safety
margins for parachute recoveries. Do not waste time and altitude
trying to recover from a spiral/spin before activating CAPS.

This does not say "don't even thing of trying". It notes the need for
prompt action at lower altitudes. If one is two miles up, one can
take a moment to try to recover and still have room to deploy.

Pray cite exactly where, in the Cirrus manual, it says that a spin
is irrecoverable without using CAPS? Until you can back up your
peculiar claim, you are trying to blow smoke up our posterior
orifices, and that dog don't hunt.

yours,
Michael

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