Another Cirrus 'chute deployment

Hilton wrote:

C J Campbell wrote:

There is not enough rudder
authority to recover. The Cirrus has never demonstrated a spin recovery,
though it has been tried.


I don't believe either of these statements are correct - if you have
references agreeing with you, I'd be happy to be proven wrong.

In fact, the SR22 POH says: "If time and altitude permit, the following
procedures may be used to determine whether the aircraft is in a recoverable
spiral/incipient spin or is unrecoverable and, therefore, has departed
controlled flight." It then goes on to give the spin recovery checklist:

1. Power Lever .................IDLE
2. Control Yoke ............... Neutral
3. Rudder ......................... Briskly Apply Opposite Yaw/Spin
Direction

Don't bother, CJ will never believe anything about the Cirrus that goes
against his predetermined belief that it is a horribly unsafe airplane.

"Newps" wrote in message
...

Don't bother, CJ will never believe anything about the Cirrus that goes
against his predetermined belief that it is a horribly unsafe airplane.


I do not think the airplane is unsafe. I do think there are some training
issues that need to be addressed, particularly the evident tendency of some
pilots to take risks that they would not consider acceptable in other
aircraft. I do not think that inability to recover from a spin is a flaw,
either. Few airliners will recover from spins, but they have outstanding
safety records, despite their constant operation up in coffin corner. If you
can operate airliners there without falling out of the sky, then surely
Cirrus pilots can be taught to do the same.

I wonder if Borchert or Hilton (or anyone else, for that matter) can show
where a Cirrus did successfully recover from a spin without deploying the
parachute. Until then, I will stand by my assertion that it has not been
done.

The Cirrus accident record speaks for itself, but again, I do not think it
is the fault of the airplane. It seems to me to be basically a training
problem.

To reaffirm some of what CJ is saying, you cannot spin if you do not
first stall. Avoid the stall and you avoid the spin. My question would
be, "Why are you opeating so close to stall to begin with?"
If you choose to operate there, you should anticipate the need for
immediate recovery.

C J Campbell wrote:
I do not think the airplane is unsafe. I do think there are some training
issues that need to be addressed, particularly the evident tendency of some
pilots to take risks that they would not consider acceptable in other
aircraft. I do not think that inability to recover from a spin is a flaw,
either. Few airliners will recover from spins, but they have outstanding
safety records, despite their constant operation up in coffin corner. If you
can operate airliners there without falling out of the sky, then surely
Cirrus pilots can be taught to do the same.

I wonder if Borchert or Hilton (or anyone else, for that matter) can show
where a Cirrus did successfully recover from a spin without deploying the
parachute. Until then, I will stand by my assertion that it has not been
done.

The Cirrus accident record speaks for itself, but again, I do not think it
is the fault of the airplane. It seems to me to be basically a training
problem.

john smith wrote

To reaffirm some of what CJ is saying, you cannot spin if you do not
first stall. Avoid the stall and you avoid the spin. My question would
be, "Why are you opeating so close to stall to begin with?"

Because they probably believed, as does most of this newsgroup,
(certainly not me) that flying at Va in turbulence is safer
than flying at Vno.

Bob Moore