Question about NY TFR-HPN

In reality, you need to file an IFR flight plan with a FSS; you then get
your code either on the ground or in the air BEFORE you penetrate the TFR;
and you can just fly VFR, wx permitting of course. You don't have to get
and fly a clearance. Just do what ATC tells you to do when you're in the
TFR.

This is based on my experiences.

Ray

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 15:12:47 GMT, Joe Johnson wrote:

Returning to HPN from the northwest last night, approach cleared me to
the
Tappan Zee bridge, then to HPN as usual. I said "unable, the TZ bridge
is
inside the TFR" and proposed a route to the Carmel VOR, then direct HPN,
which the controller accepted. This is the relevant part of
http://tfr.faa.gov/tfr/jsp/save_page...l_4_9872.html:

PART B. OUTER AREA, PROCEDURES FOR AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE NY
CLASS B
TFR FROM 7 NMR TO THE CLASS B 20 NM BOUNDARY, FROM THE SURFACE, UP TO BUT
NOT INCLUDING FL180, ARE LISTED BELOW: 1. FIXED WING AIRCRAFT SHALL BE
ON AN
ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN FILED WITH AN AFSS. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT SHALL
SQUAWK A DISCRETE TRANSPONDER CODE ASSIGNED BY ATC. ALL AIRCRAFT SHALL
SQUAWK THE DISCRETE TRANSPONDER CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES
WITHIN THE TFR. IN THE EVENT OF A TRANSPONDER FAILURE, THE PILOT SHALL
ADVISE ATC AND ATC WILL PROVIDE THE MOST DIRECT COURSE TO OUTSIDE THE
LATERAL LIMITS OF THE TFR. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO
COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 4. FIXED WING OPERATIONS ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT
ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER.

The TZ bridge is within the outer area mentioned above. I had a
transponder
code (point 2 above) assigned by approach, but was not on an active
flight
plan filed with and AFSS(point 1 above). Questions:

1. Is my interpretation that I was not authorized to fly to the bridge
correct, or is a transponder code assigned by ATC tantamount to a flight
plan?
2. If I had flown to the bridge and been intercepted, would it have
been an
adequate defense that approach ATC had cleared me to that location?





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Ray Bengen wrote:

In reality, you need to file an IFR flight plan with a FSS; you then get
your code either on the ground or in the air BEFORE you penetrate the TFR;
and you can just fly VFR, wx permitting of course. You don't have to get
and fly a clearance. Just do what ATC tells you to do when you're in the
TFR.

With the NY TRACON, at least, you file a VFR flight plan and you tell them that it's
for the purposes of the TFR (you don't need the search procedure if you fail to show
up). They will take care of it from there. My understanding is that they enter it as
a pseudo-IFR flight plan to get it in the system, but that's their problem/solution.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.