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"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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C,

few extremist groups a


If you qualify ACLU as an extremist group, I have to wonder what you
call the administration...

I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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If you qualify ACLU as an extremist group, I have to wonder what you
call the administration...

I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

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to really get rid of it.
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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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If you qualify ACLU as an extremist group, I have to wonder what you
call the administration...

I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

My sentiments too. What's weird about the case ACLU just won against the
Justice Department? The court declared a part of the despicable Patriot
Act unconstitutional.

--
Paul "Card carrying member" Tomblin
I wouldn't be surprised if I'd have to put garlic in the CD drawer
to really get rid of it.
-- Arthur van der Harg on 'Gator'

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
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If you qualify ACLU as an extremist group, I have to wonder what you
call the administration...

I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United States.

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United States.

Name one instance of any of those things.


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sent/The Feds were sure to know." - Sam Simpson on sci.crypt

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
I certainly do qualify the ACLU as an extremist group, considering the
weird
positions that it constantly takes in court.

Yeah, that insisting that the rights guaranteed in the constitution are
not taken away from people arbitrarily is just *weird*.

If that is what the ACLU did I would not have a problem with it. However,
the ACLU has consistently worked to prohibit the exercise of freedom of
religion, the right to bear arms, and the right to own property. It has
also
sought to disrupt family life, promote communism, and has continually
collaborated with despotic thugs that are the enemies of the United
States.

Name one instance of any of those things.

You already know how I feel about issues such as posting the ten
commandments, nativity scenes, Stars of David and crosses and the like, as
well as private schools. You think these things are public imposition of
religion and are prohibited by the Constitution. I think that prohibiting
these things violates freedom of worship guaranteed by the Constitution.
Please do not insult my intelligence by pretending that you do not know the
issues involved. We may never agree, but don't try to tell me you don't know
what we are talking about.

As for ACLU's association with communism, don't be ridiculous. It was
founded by anarchists and communists and continues to be run by them today.
Some of the very earliest members included Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, who later
became chairman of the American Communist Party, and Agnes Smedly, a Soviet
agent. In every single case that I know of where the United States had a
legal issue with the Kremlin or Castro, the ACLU supported the communists,
even to the point of forcible repatriation of persons who came here looking
for political asylum.

The founder of ACLU was Roger Baldwin.
In 1935, Baldwin wrote the following in his college yearbook:
"I have been to Europe several times, mostly in connection with
international radical activities…and have traveled in the United States to
areas of conflict over workers rights to strike and organize. My chief
aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and violence
which makes up the control of the world today, and which has brought it to
the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and unemployment…Therefore, I am
for Socialism, disarmament and ultimately, for the abolishing of the State
itself…I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the
propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is
the goal."

Saying that the ACLU is neutral on gun control is bogus. If ACLU were
interested in protecting Constitutional rights then they would be in the
forefront of defending gun owners, especially in states like Washington,
where Constitutional protections are much stronger than in the US.

ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear
Constitutional mandate for abortion but none for the right to bear arms.
ACLU has also taken the side of Communist states who have demanded
repatriation of children to their home countries when the parents defected
here. They have then contradicted themselves and taken the side of Cuba, for
example, when a child staying with relatives defected to the United States.

ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

I will be the first to admit that the ACLU has not always been wrong. It
opposes some real limitations on Constitutional freedoms. But to pretend tha
t these are the only positions that ACLU takes and that ACLU's goal is
preservation of the Constitution of the United States is just plain idiocy.

In a previous article, "C J Campbell" said:
You already know how I feel about issues such as posting the ten
commandments, nativity scenes, Stars of David and crosses and the like, as
well as private schools. You think these things are public imposition of
religion and are prohibited by the Constitution. I think that prohibiting
these things violates freedom of worship guaranteed by the Constitution.
Please do not insult my intelligence by pretending that you do not know the
issues involved. We may never agree, but don't try to tell me you don't know
what we are talking about.

I know the ACLU has worked hard and long to keep people like you from
using government organizations, funds, and buildings to impose your
religious beliefs on me and my children. That is not working to "prohibit
the exercise of freedom of religion". It is working to *strengthen* my
exercise of freedom of religion.

As for ACLU's association with communism, don't be ridiculous. It was
founded by anarchists and communists and continues to be run by them today.
Some of the very earliest members included Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, who later
became chairman of the American Communist Party, and Agnes Smedly, a Soviet
agent. In every single case that I know of where the United States had a
legal issue with the Kremlin or Castro, the ACLU supported the communists,
even to the point of forcible repatriation of persons who came here looking
for political asylum.

So it was founded by people associated with communism. How has it worked
to "promote communism". Name one concrete thing.

As for "forcible repatriation", the only case I can think you're thinking
of is Elian Gonzalez, who was kidnapped by a non-parent away from a
parent. That should have been a simple child custody case, and if it
wasn't for the national border nobody would have wasted a second's thought
on coming to the conclusion that the boy should have been returned to the
parent.

Saying that the ACLU is neutral on gun control is bogus. If ACLU were
interested in protecting Constitutional rights then they would be in the
forefront of defending gun owners, especially in states like Washington,
where Constitutional protections are much stronger than in the US.

That particular constitutional ammendment has a MUCH larger organization
protecting it. Why would the ACLU waste its limited time and resources
protecting the second ammendment when the largest political organization
in the country, the NRA, is already working on the case?


ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear

Again, name one case.

ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

ACLU attempted to prevent the Boy Scouts from discriminating against
people. Hardly an attack.


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in the foot. C++ will happily load the gun, offer you a drink to steady
your nerves, and help you aim. -- Peter da Silva

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth
control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear

Again, name one case.

ACLU continues to support minors' right to an abortion without parental
permission or even the parents knowing about it. Their position is that this
is necessary in order to prevent incest.


ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

ACLU attempted to prevent the Boy Scouts from discriminating against
people. Hardly an attack.

Freedom to associate with whom you please means also the freedom to not
associate with some people, no matter how unpalatable that may be. The Boy
Scouts is a private organization. ACLU has no business telling a private
organization who they must accept as members and who not.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
You already know how I feel about issues such as posting the ten
commandments, nativity scenes, Stars of David and crosses and the like,
as
well as private schools. You think these things are public imposition of
religion and are prohibited by the Constitution. I think that prohibiting
these things violates freedom of worship guaranteed by the Constitution.
Please do not insult my intelligence by pretending that you do not know
the
issues involved. We may never agree, but don't try to tell me you don't
know
what we are talking about.

I know the ACLU has worked hard and long to keep people like you from
using government organizations, funds, and buildings to impose your
religious beliefs on me and my children.

Name even one instance where either I or my church has advocated any such
thing.

"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
...
In a previous article, "C J Campbell"
said:
You already know how I feel about issues such as posting the ten
commandments, nativity scenes, Stars of David and crosses and the like,
as
well as private schools. You think these things are public imposition of
religion and are prohibited by the Constitution. I think that prohibiting
these things violates freedom of worship guaranteed by the Constitution.
Please do not insult my intelligence by pretending that you do not know
the
issues involved. We may never agree, but don't try to tell me you don't
know
what we are talking about.

I know the ACLU has worked hard and long to keep people like you from
using government organizations, funds, and buildings to impose your
religious beliefs on me and my children. That is not working to "prohibit
the exercise of freedom of religion". It is working to *strengthen* my
exercise of freedom of religion.

As for ACLU's association with communism, don't be ridiculous. It was
founded by anarchists and communists and continues to be run by them
today.
Some of the very earliest members included Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, who
later
became chairman of the American Communist Party, and Agnes Smedly, a
Soviet
agent. In every single case that I know of where the United States had a
legal issue with the Kremlin or Castro, the ACLU supported the
communists,
even to the point of forcible repatriation of persons who came here
looking
for political asylum.

So it was founded by people associated with communism. How has it worked
to "promote communism". Name one concrete thing.

As for "forcible repatriation", the only case I can think you're thinking
of is Elian Gonzalez, who was kidnapped by a non-parent away from a
parent. That should have been a simple child custody case, and if it
wasn't for the national border nobody would have wasted a second's thought
on coming to the conclusion that the boy should have been returned to the
parent.

Saying that the ACLU is neutral on gun control is bogus. If ACLU were
interested in protecting Constitutional rights then they would be in the
forefront of defending gun owners, especially in states like Washington,
where Constitutional protections are much stronger than in the US.

That particular constitutional ammendment has a MUCH larger organization
protecting it. Why would the ACLU waste its limited time and resources
protecting the second ammendment when the largest political organization
in the country, the NRA, is already working on the case?


ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth
control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear

Again, name one case.

ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

ACLU attempted to prevent the Boy Scouts from discriminating against
people. Hardly an attack.

Except the Boy Scouts is a private organization. Just like there can be no
private censorship under the 1st Amendment (...CONGRESS shall pas no law...)
the Communists abhor freedom of association (individual rights) over
collectivization.

While I agree CJ is totally bonkers regards his version of freedom of
worship, he is correct on his take on the ACLU, who take a very erratic view
of the Bill of Rights. BTW, the GRU was the group that was fundamental in
founding the ACLU, not to protect freedom of speech (notice they never take
the case of conservatives/free market types at colleges that have speech
codes) but to maintain their propaganda outlets.

By the way, note too that the Communist Party USA endorses Kerry
http://www.cpusa.org