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"Paul Tomblin" wrote in message
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ACLU also continually sides against parents on such issues as birth
control,
sex education, and abortion. Apparently ACLU is able to see a clear

Again, name one case.

ACLU continues to support minors' right to an abortion without parental
permission or even the parents knowing about it. Their position is that this
is necessary in order to prevent incest.


ACLU's attack on the Boy Scouts is legendary. Apparently ACLU does not
believe in freedom of association, either, if it involves groups that it
does not like.

ACLU attempted to prevent the Boy Scouts from discriminating against
people. Hardly an attack.

Freedom to associate with whom you please means also the freedom to not
associate with some people, no matter how unpalatable that may be. The Boy
Scouts is a private organization. ACLU has no business telling a private
organization who they must accept as members and who not.

In article ,
C J Campbell wrote:
ACLU attempted to prevent the Boy Scouts from discriminating against
people. Hardly an attack.

Freedom to associate with whom you please means also the freedom to not
associate with some people, no matter how unpalatable that may be. The Boy
Scouts is a private organization. ACLU has no business telling a private
organization who they must accept as members and who not.

I believe the ACLU's position on this does not have a problem with the
Boy Scouts. As you say, they are a private organization and may, while
not breaking the law, disallow anyone from joining their organization,
no matter how distasteful their policies are to some.

The problem is that many public school districts allow the Scouts to use
their grounds and promote them as an organization. This, many parents
of the "disallowed" children feel, is tantamount to the
government-funded school district discriminating itself.

Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
school districts should not be supporting an organization that
discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.

"The Boys Scouts may have a legal right to discriminate against
atheists, agnostics, gays and others, but we remain convinced that
as long as they continue that discrimination they have no right to
receive special access to Portland elementary schools during the
school day to recruit 6 and 7 year-old boys to join in that
discrimination," [Oregon ACLU Executive Director David] Fidanque
said.

Strangely, I was a Boy Scout for perhaps a year - I didn't enjoy it.
Our troop was based in a church, though; I have no problem with that
arrangement. Ironically, I was agnostic.

If there was a case where the ACLU went right to the Scouts and said
that they could not discriminate at all even without getting
preferential treatment from schools, I apologize - they are out of line
then in that case.

-bcd
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*** Brian Downing bdowning at lavos dot net

In article xof7d.52464$He1.20410@attbi_s01, Brian Downing
wrote:



Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
school districts should not be supporting an organization that
discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.

assuming, of course, that said organization is actually discriminating.






"The Boys Scouts may have a legal right to discriminate against
atheists, agnostics, gays and others, but we remain convinced that
as long as they continue that discrimination they have no right to
receive special access to Portland elementary schools during the
school day to recruit 6 and 7 year-old boys to join in that
discrimination," [Oregon ACLU Executive Director David] Fidanque
said.

Strangely, I was a Boy Scout for perhaps a year - I didn't enjoy it.
Our troop was based in a church, though; I have no problem with that
arrangement. Ironically, I was agnostic.

If there was a case where the ACLU went right to the Scouts and said
that they could not discriminate at all even without getting
preferential treatment from schools, I apologize - they are out of line
then in that case.


you don't see a problem labelling the BSA as an organization that
discriminates?

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

Bob Noel writes:
In article xof7d.52464$He1.20410@attbi_s01, Brian Downing
wrote:


Obviously others disagree with this interpretation. I don't, however -
school districts should not be supporting an organization that
discriminates based on religion or sexual orientation.

assuming, of course, that said organization is actually discriminating.

Of course the Boy Scouts discriminate - they've stated in court that
gays and atheists cannot be members.

Are you thinking that "discrimination" means "unlawful discrimination"?

"The Boys Scouts may have a legal right to discriminate against
atheists, agnostics, gays and others, but we remain convinced that
as long as they continue that discrimination they have no right to
receive special access to Portland elementary schools during the
school day to recruit 6 and 7 year-old boys to join in that
discrimination," [Oregon ACLU Executive Director David] Fidanque
said.

Strangely, I was a Boy Scout for perhaps a year - I didn't enjoy it.
Our troop was based in a church, though; I have no problem with that
arrangement. Ironically, I was agnostic.

If there was a case where the ACLU went right to the Scouts and said
that they could not discriminate at all even without getting
preferential treatment from schools, I apologize - they are out of line
then in that case.

you don't see a problem labelling the BSA as an organization that
discriminates?

I don't. The BSA clearly discriminates. They've stated in court
that atheists and gays can't join. I've called the legal department
at the national BSA, and David Park told me that atheists can't even
join a BSA unit sponsored by a public school; the Boy Scouts expect
the public school to break the law and exclude their own students
based on their religious views.

---
Merlyn LeRoy

First of all, you are assuming that it is illegal to discriminate by sexual
orientation under the Constitution. It is not. There are some local laws
that prohibit it, but these clearly violate the Constitution's freedom of
association clause.

There are gay groups that also meet on school property.

In Boston and New Jersey, the ACLU attempted to prove that the Boy Scouts
could not discriminate at all because they are a "public facility" like a
restaurant or golf course.