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Old October 2nd 04, 01:55 PM
Matt Whiting
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Jay Honeck wrote:

Gee, $33K? About the price of a used Cherokee 140?

Big whoop. Ten parking meters on Wacker Drive make that in six months...

I'm heartened that the FAA is closing the door after the cows have escaped,
and sincerely hope that King Daley is quaking in his boots.


Yes, my thoughts exactly. And why wait so long to act?


Matt

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Old October 2nd 04, 01:56 PM
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C J Campbell wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news
The FAA has held several discussions
with representatives of the city to
reach an informal resolution of the
issues, but it will now move forward
with these formal actions to obtain
additional facts. In addition to the
possibility of a civil penalty of
$33,000, the city of Chicago could be
required to return monies to the
O¹Hare Airport Development Fund.
Should the city refuse to return any
improperly diverted revenue to the
Fund, further sanctions are possible,
including a civil penalty of up to
three times the amount of the diverted
funds.



The city should require Daley to pay these fines personally.



No, they should put him in jail for a few years. I'm sure that $33K
isn't all that significant to even him personally. He probably gets
that much in union kickbacks every month.


Matt

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Old October 2nd 04, 02:04 PM
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Daley wants to expand O'hare using Federal tax dollars. I think we all should
pressure our legislators to make sure that no monies will be expended on the
planning or expansion of O'Hare until the city of Chicago restores Meigs and
sells it - with no restrictions - to an outside agency

John
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Old October 2nd 04, 02:20 PM
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"ISLIP" wrote in message
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Daley wants to expand O'hare using Federal tax dollars.


That should not happen. The City of Chicago cannot close one perfectly good
public airport and expect federal funds to expand another one.


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Old October 2nd 04, 02:30 PM
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 08:54:50 -0400, Roy Smith wrote:

The FAA is proposing a civil penalty
of $33,000, the legal maximum, against
the city


What a joke. $33,000 may be a big fine to you or me, but to the City of
Chicago, it's chump change.


I've got to agree. Little Daley can punk this much out of the petty
cash without anyone asking questions. This reaction, although it
appears commendable, was long thought out by the Daley team prior to
their escapades. The only way to get this ******* back is to find
something else he's done that will put him in jail. Unfortunately
most people know little to nothing about the real workings of filthy
politics.

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Old October 2nd 04, 03:09 PM
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Better late than never. A little is better than nothing.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

Orval Fairbairn wrote in message ...
For what it is worth, I just received the following notice:



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


APA 35
October 1, 2004
Contact: Greg Martin or Tony Molinaro
Phone: 202-267-3883 or 847-294-7427

FAA Proposes Legal Action Against City of Chicago¹s Meigs Field Closure

WASHINGTON, DC * The Federal Aviation
Administration (FAA) today announced
that it is taking legal action over
the 2003 closure of Meigs Field which
could result in penalties against the
city of Chicago. The FAA is citing the
agency¹s regulatory responsibility to
preserve the national airspace system
and ensure the traveling public with
reasonable access to airports as the
basis for its action today.

The FAA is proposing a civil penalty
of $33,000, the legal maximum, against
the city and, separately, is
initiating an investigation into
possible violations by the city of its
federal grant assurances and its
airport sponsor obligations.

The $33,000 proposed civil penalty
stems from the city¹s failure to
provide the required 30-day notice to
the FAA of the deactivation of Meigs
Field. The notice requirement is
intended to allow the FAA to study
proposed actions that may affect the
national airspace system prior to the
actions being taken. According to FAA
regulations, a maximum penalty of
$1,100 per day can be assessed for a
violation of this type.

Additionally, the FAA has initiated an
investigation to determine whether the
city improperly diverted $1.5 million
in restricted airport revenues to pay
for demolishing the runway at Meigs
and for its conversion from an airport
into a city park. The city has 30
days to reply to the FAA on these
issues.

The FAA has held several discussions
with representatives of the city to
reach an informal resolution of the
issues, but it will now move forward
with these formal actions to obtain
additional facts. In addition to the
possibility of a civil penalty of
$33,000, the city of Chicago could be
required to return monies to the
O¹Hare Airport Development Fund.
Should the city refuse to return any
improperly diverted revenue to the
Fund, further sanctions are possible,
including a civil penalty of up to
three times the amount of the diverted
funds.

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Old October 2nd 04, 03:10 PM
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On Sat, 02 Oct 2004 00:13:45 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote in
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Additionally, the FAA has initiated an
investigation to determine whether the
city improperly diverted $1.5 million
in restricted airport revenues to pay
for demolishing the runway at Meigs
and for its conversion from an airport
into a city park.



If true, Daley's diversion of FAA Airport Improvement funds to
demolish Meigs Airport is such an arrogant misuse of federal grant
money for the exact opposite of the use it is intended, that it again
publicly confirms the Chicago mayor's blatant disregard for legal
justice. Wouldn't it be nice if that were an impeachable offence?
Perhaps the folks that got 'Aaahnod' elected in California could be
persuaded to mount a similar campaign to RECALL DALEY.
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Old October 2nd 04, 03:21 PM
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Not so. The fine is the maximum allowed at the time. Since then the
Meigs Legacy provision has become law, and the maximum fine goes up to
$10,000/per day and the required notice goes up to 90 days. Nine million
may not have kept Chicago from ripping up Meigs, but there aren't many
cities that can afford that.

On top of that, Meigs is the only airport that had special provisions in
its grant assurances that let them off the hook. Not only would another
airport sponsor risk the larger fines, they'd also be responsible for
paying back AIP grant money, which could me tens of millions of dollars,
or more.

Dave Reinhart


Thomas Borchert wrote:

Orval,

if anything, that fine is an encouragement to other cities wanting to
close their airports. Bad move, IMHO.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)


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Old October 2nd 04, 03:55 PM
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"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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C J Campbell wrote:

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in

message

news

The FAA has held several discussions
with representatives of the city to
reach an informal resolution of the
issues, but it will now move forward
with these formal actions to obtain
additional facts. In addition to the
possibility of a civil penalty of
$33,000, the city of Chicago could be
required to return monies to the
O¹Hare Airport Development Fund.
Should the city refuse to return any
improperly diverted revenue to the
Fund, further sanctions are possible,
including a civil penalty of up to
three times the amount of the diverted
funds.



The city should require Daley to pay these fines personally.



No, they should put him in jail for a few years. I'm sure that $33K
isn't all that significant to even him personally. He probably gets
that much in union kickbacks every month.


It is not just $33,000. He stole $1.5 million and the city is on the hook
for that and possible treble damages. Daley should personally reimburse the
city for that as well.


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Old October 2nd 04, 04:58 PM
S Narayan
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Also on Avweb
http://www.avweb.com/newswire/10_40b.../188257-1.html


"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
news
For what it is worth, I just received the following notice:



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE


APA 35
October 1, 2004
Contact: Greg Martin or Tony Molinaro
Phone: 202-267-3883 or 847-294-7427

FAA Proposes Legal Action Against City of Chicago¹s Meigs Field Closure



 




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