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![]() "Chip Jones" wrote in message link.net... OK pilots, try this one on for size. As you likely know, there is a wide and growing rift between the career FAA bureaucrats (aka FAA Management) who run the monstrosity called the federal Air Traffic Organization, and the career FAA air traffic controllers who make that monstrosity work in the NAS on a daily basis. Regardless of where you stand on the politics of US air traffic control (funding, privatization, user-fees, labor issues, whatever), the ugly, on-going feud between Management and Labor in air traffic control may finally have reached a point where you as a pilot will be personally affected. Chip, increased emphasis on reporting of pilot deviations seems to lead to a need for increased pilot understanding of what constitutes a deviation from an ATC point of view. I doubt that controllers are required to know the FARs to the depth required to determine if a pilot is operating within the regulations that apply to pilots in all cases, so a large part of it would seem to fall back on reporting deviations from an ATC instruction or clearance. So what constitutes a deviation? As an example, what deviation in altitude constitutes a reportable deviation, if no loss of separation occurs? It has been suggested in this thread that the Instrument PTS standard of +/- 100 ft applies, but I doubt if controllers are familiar with the PTS. So is there an ATC document that defines deviation limits? How far off the centerline of an airway can I be before being reported? How much heading error? How long a delay is allowed before I begin a descent after being instructed to do so? If I am VFR in Class E airspace, and using flight following, will I be reported for flying WAFDOF? Should we expect a report on every student pilot doing T&Gs and landing without clearance, rather than being scolded for a one-time error, if no problem occured? Looks like a big can of worms to me. Sta |
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WAFDOF?
Stan Prevost wrote: "Chip Jones" wrote in message link.net... OK pilots, try this one on for size. As you likely know, there is a wide and growing rift between the career FAA bureaucrats (aka FAA Management) who run the monstrosity called the federal Air Traffic Organization, and the career FAA air traffic controllers who make that monstrosity work in the NAS on a daily basis. Regardless of where you stand on the politics of US air traffic control (funding, privatization, user-fees, labor issues, whatever), the ugly, on-going feud between Management and Labor in air traffic control may finally have reached a point where you as a pilot will be personally affected. Chip, increased emphasis on reporting of pilot deviations seems to lead to a need for increased pilot understanding of what constitutes a deviation from an ATC point of view. I doubt that controllers are required to know the FARs to the depth required to determine if a pilot is operating within the regulations that apply to pilots in all cases, so a large part of it would seem to fall back on reporting deviations from an ATC instruction or clearance. So what constitutes a deviation? As an example, what deviation in altitude constitutes a reportable deviation, if no loss of separation occurs? It has been suggested in this thread that the Instrument PTS standard of +/- 100 ft applies, but I doubt if controllers are familiar with the PTS. So is there an ATC document that defines deviation limits? How far off the centerline of an airway can I be before being reported? How much heading error? How long a delay is allowed before I begin a descent after being instructed to do so? If I am VFR in Class E airspace, and using flight following, will I be reported for flying WAFDOF? Should we expect a report on every student pilot doing T&Gs and landing without clearance, rather than being scolded for a one-time error, if no problem occured? Looks like a big can of worms to me. Sta |
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In article . net,
Matt Young wrote: WAFDOF? Wrong Altitude For Direction Of Flight, flying westbound at 7500 instead of 6500. |
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In article . net,
Matt Young wrote: WAFDOF? Wrong Altitude For Direction Of Flight, flying westbound at 7500 instead of 6500. |
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Wrong altitude for direction of flight.
JPH Matt Young wrote: WAFDOF? |
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Wrong altitude for direction of flight.
JPH Matt Young wrote: WAFDOF? |
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John Clonts wrote:
Matt Young wrote: WAFDOF? www.acronymfinder.com Well said, sir! I also wondered what it meant, but very quickly found the answer from that site. |
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WAFDOF?
Stan Prevost wrote: "Chip Jones" wrote in message link.net... OK pilots, try this one on for size. As you likely know, there is a wide and growing rift between the career FAA bureaucrats (aka FAA Management) who run the monstrosity called the federal Air Traffic Organization, and the career FAA air traffic controllers who make that monstrosity work in the NAS on a daily basis. Regardless of where you stand on the politics of US air traffic control (funding, privatization, user-fees, labor issues, whatever), the ugly, on-going feud between Management and Labor in air traffic control may finally have reached a point where you as a pilot will be personally affected. Chip, increased emphasis on reporting of pilot deviations seems to lead to a need for increased pilot understanding of what constitutes a deviation from an ATC point of view. I doubt that controllers are required to know the FARs to the depth required to determine if a pilot is operating within the regulations that apply to pilots in all cases, so a large part of it would seem to fall back on reporting deviations from an ATC instruction or clearance. So what constitutes a deviation? As an example, what deviation in altitude constitutes a reportable deviation, if no loss of separation occurs? It has been suggested in this thread that the Instrument PTS standard of +/- 100 ft applies, but I doubt if controllers are familiar with the PTS. So is there an ATC document that defines deviation limits? How far off the centerline of an airway can I be before being reported? How much heading error? How long a delay is allowed before I begin a descent after being instructed to do so? If I am VFR in Class E airspace, and using flight following, will I be reported for flying WAFDOF? Should we expect a report on every student pilot doing T&Gs and landing without clearance, rather than being scolded for a one-time error, if no problem occured? Looks like a big can of worms to me. Sta |
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