Student night solo?

On 10/13/2004 14:25, NW_PILOT wrote:

Commented below look down!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duniho"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Student night solo?

The student will have passenger carrying privileges when he passes the
checkride. Therefore, if you don't feel comfortable having him fly with
passengers on your ticket, how can you send him to the checkride?

As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first passanger
evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 10/13/2004 14:25, NW_PILOT wrote:

Commented below look down!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duniho"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Student night solo?

The student will have passenger carrying privileges when he passes the
checkride. Therefore, if you don't feel comfortable having him fly
with
passengers on your ticket, how can you send him to the checkride?

As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first
passanger
evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.


That's werid the examiner on my check ride told me to log PIC only not Dual
as he was just along for the ride.

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:07:26 -0700, Mark Hansen
wrote:

On 10/13/2004 14:25, NW_PILOT wrote:

Commented below look down!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duniho"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Student night solo?

The student will have passenger carrying privileges when he passes the
checkride. Therefore, if you don't feel comfortable having him fly with
passengers on your ticket, how can you send him to the checkride?

As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first passanger
evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.

The examiner is a special case. They endorse the log as proficiency
passed and give you a slip, but it's PIC time for the examinee and no
dual received gets logged.

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
...
As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first
passanger
evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.

According to the FAA, the examiner is not a "passenger". Nor is he an
instructor. The pilot being examined logs PIC as if he were the only person
in the airplane.

Strange, but true.

Pete

Mark Hansen wrote in
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On 10/13/2004 14:25, NW_PILOT wrote:

Commented below look down!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duniho"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Student night solo?

The student will have passenger carrying privileges when he passes
the checkride. Therefore, if you don't feel comfortable having him
fly with passengers on your ticket, how can you send him to the
checkride?

As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first
passanger evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.



No, the examiner is a passenger. The checkride endorsement allows the
student carry a passenger for the purpose of taking the practical test.


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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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No, the examiner is a passenger.

Where in the FARs does it say the examiner is a passenger? The examiner is
the examiner.

"C J Campbell" wrote in
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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No, the examiner is a passenger.

Where in the FARs does it say the examiner is a passenger? The
examiner is the examiner.



True, the examiner is the examiner. But for all practical purposes he
should be treated as a passenger, and is the first person other than an
instructor the student is authorized to carry.


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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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No, the examiner is a passenger. The checkride endorsement allows the
student carry a passenger for the purpose of taking the practical test.

The examiner is NOT a passenger. As CJ says, he's the examiner. Mark's
post was in error, as I already pointed out. But yours is as well.

"Mark Hansen" wrote in message
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On 10/13/2004 14:25, NW_PILOT wrote:
As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first
passanger
evaluating the student.

I don't think that's true. According to the FARs, you cannot carry
passengers until you have the certificate. Therefore, the examiner
is still the instructor and the student is still logging dual
instruction time.

In the UK, this time is logged as P1(S). The (S) is "under supervision".
Still counts as P1 time.

Paul