typical total time and PIC time question

Interesting, your proportions are just about exactly reversed.
This guy had about 25% of his time as PIC, while at the same stage you had
only 25% as dual, AND you had the higher rating.

I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between
somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though
some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer
included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with
only 80 hours dual.

G Faris



In article ,
emove says...

SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused
about current practices.

I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT,
of
which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight
training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed
off
on complex SEL aircraft.

My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC,
but
that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about
you?
When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was dual,
how much PIC? What's typical today?

I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between
somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though

some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer

included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with
only 80 hours dual.

G Faris



In article ,
says...

SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused
about current practices.

I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT,
of
which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight
training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed
off
on complex SEL aircraft.

My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC,
but
that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about
you?
When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was
dual,
how much PIC? What's typical today?








I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between
somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though

some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer

included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with
only 80 hours dual.

G Faris



In article ,
says...

SInce I took my training longer ago than most of you are alive, I'm confused
about current practices.

I came across a NTSB report that described a pilot with about 320 hours TT,
of
which about 75 were as PIC. The pilot was about half way though his flight
training for his IRF rating, had a PPL and Class II physical. He was signed
off
on complex SEL aircraft.

My own logbook when I had 320 hours tt showed about 80 hours dual, 260 PIC,
but
that was back in the late 60s, and by then I had an IFR rating. What about
you?
When you had about 300 hours, if you were SEL at the time, how much was
dual,
how much PIC? What's typical today?

Interesting, your proportions are just about exactly reversed.
This guy had about 25% of his time as PIC, while at the same stage you had
only 25% as dual, AND you had the higher rating.

I'll bet averages today, for the first few hundred hours, are in between
somewhere. There IS more to learn and the standards have changed, even though
some of the things you probably had to demonstrate for your PPL are no longer
included in the PTS. Certainly very few pilots today have an IR rating with
only 80 hours dual.

G Faris

I don't think I was atypical for the time. Since I was flying in Massachusetts,
IFR was I thought required, and I took off for my IFR flight test with 199.5
hours tt logged! I have friends who flew in the Navy who claimed they were
landing jets on carriers with 200 hours tt.


thanks all for your responses. I did a little more investigation and learned
the pilot in question had logged a bunch of duel before taking his pp flight
test, then gave up flying for a while. I guess when he started again he started
right at the beginning. It explains some of the heavy dual -- some other
factors explain even more.

AJW

(AJW) wrote

I don't think I was atypical for the time. Since I was flying in
Massachusetts, IFR was I thought required, and I took off for my IFR
flight test with 199.5 hours tt logged! I have friends who flew in
the Navy who claimed they were landing jets on carriers with 200
hours tt.

I did my first carrier landing (T-28) at 115 total flight time.

Bob Moore

I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I don't
remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt his
dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence.

G Faris

e and PIC time question
From: (G Farris)
Date: 10/14/2004 6:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:

I think the question came up with the JFK Jr accident as well - Though I
don't
remember the numbers, he must have been at about that level, and some felt
his
dual-to-PIC ratio was high, possibly indicating a lack of confidence.

G Faris

You're perceptive: I'm using that NTSB report as the basis of a small play. It
happens in the JFK Jr case (I've learned since posting the question) that he
had started training toward his PPL once then abandoned the effort because his
mother had begged him to (she had a premination of him crashing in an airplane
he piloted (See C. Anderson's 'The Day John Died). He was piling on a lot of
time the summer he died, but he had broken an ankle in an ultra light crash on
the Vineyard a few months earlier, so nearly all of his flying since then
(nearly all in the Saratoga) was with an instructor aboard. Those several
events explain some of the seemingly excessive dual time. As a matter of
interest, the only family member who would fly with him, and then only
reluctantly, was his wife. Cousins and uncles outright refused.

I appreciate the statistics and observations many of you had made, thank you.

AJW