Story: Propeller found miles from crash scene

He was returning the plane to the Danbury Flight School at DXR from
Nantucket (ACK). Drawing a straight line on a map from Nantucket to Danbury,
Madison and Killingworth are on the same line and Killingworth is 2-3 miles
closer to Danbury.

Griswold Airport (MPE) is in the same town where he went down
(Madison).Wonder how (specifically) the dislodged prop affected the
aerodynamics of the Warrior and his chances for a controllable glide.
(Student here, please be be kind!)

"StellaStar" wrote in message
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So...did it pop off and zing all that way ahead of the crash scene...or
drop
off before they dropped out of the air?


http://www.newsday.com/news/local/wi...1014oct14,0,74
34473.story?coll=ny-ap-regional-wire

MADISON, Conn. -- The propeller from the plane that crashed into a house
on
Lovers Lane Monday night has been found a few miles away in Killingworth.

Police Chief Paul Jakubson said police received a call Wednesday from a
resident of Maple Hill Road in Killingworth, which is 2 to 3 miles from
the
crash site.

(added
The 1978 Piper Warrior smashed through tree branches before crashing into
the roof of a house.

Hanlon and Johnson, who were co-workers at the U.S. Post Office in
Brookfield, were flying from Nantucket to Danbury when Hanlon
radioed in a "mayday" shortly before 6 p.m. to report that the
engine had stopped working.

"H.P." wrote in message
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He was returning the plane to the Danbury Flight School at DXR from
Nantucket (ACK). Drawing a straight line on a map from Nantucket to
Danbury,
Madison and Killingworth are on the same line and Killingworth is 2-3
miles
closer to Danbury.

Griswold Airport (MPE) is in the same town where he went down
(Madison).Wonder how (specifically) the dislodged prop affected the
aerodynamics of the Warrior and his chances for a controllable glide.
(Student here, please be be kind!)

"

An account of an aerobatic Pitts losing a prop said that the pilot used full
forward stick and the aircraft still flared with nose up just before the
pilot got it on terra firma. If he hadn't gotten it down it would have
gone into a flat spin. I remember reading about it in the nineties. Of
course, a part of the crankshaft departed with the propeller.

To me, losing a prop on a single-engine tractor aircraft means instant loss
of power, an aft CG outside of the envelope, and a life-threatening
encounter with the earth's gravitational pull.

In article ,
" jls" wrote:



To me, losing a prop on a single-engine tractor aircraft means instant loss
of power, an aft CG outside of the envelope, and a life-threatening
encounter with the earth's gravitational pull.

A prop for most light aircraft weights about 80 pounds for a constant
speed unit, much less for a fixed pitch prop. I don't anticipate that
on most GA aircraft the CG will go so far aft that you'll have control
problems,unless already loaded with the CG well aft.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 06:13:05 -0800, Dale wrote:

In article ,
" jls" wrote:



To me, losing a prop on a single-engine tractor aircraft means instant loss
of power, an aft CG outside of the envelope, and a life-threatening
encounter with the earth's gravitational pull.

A prop for most light aircraft weights about 80 pounds for a constant
speed unit, much less for a fixed pitch prop. I don't anticipate that

I have the big 3-blade Hartzel on the Deb. It weighs 83#. The 2-blade
it replaced weighed 57#


Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
on most GA aircraft the CG will go so far aft that you'll have control
problems,unless already loaded with the CG well aft.

To me, losing a prop on a single-engine tractor aircraft means instant loss
of power, an aft CG outside of the envelope, and a life-threatening
encounter with the earth's gravitational pull.

Can't speak for all planes but single engine Cessna's can lose the prop
and not get anywhere near the aft CG. I have already done that
calculation for my 182. Lose the prop and I don't even get to the back
half of the CG envelope.

A quick back-of-the-envelope (unintentional pun) calculation, assuming a
Cherokee/Warrior prop weighs around 25 lb and is 6" back from the datum
shows a shift in CG of about 1.5" aft. Hardly life threatening. OTOH,
without a prop, the glide ability would really be improved, and it might be
very difficult to judge an approach under those circumstances. He might
have just landed really long compared with where he was hoping to set it
down.

My dad used to tell the story of a Corsair prop that departed the a/c during
a runup somewhere in the Pacific. It flew all the way across the airfield
at low level and was found several hundred feet into the jungle at the end
of an impressive swath cut through the bougainvillea. Depending on the
altitude and RPM at the time of loss, I can easily imagine a lost prop
traveling a mile or two before it hit the ground.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

I don't have to like Bush and Cheney (Or Kerry, for that matter) to love
America

" jls" wrote in message
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To me, losing a prop on a single-engine tractor aircraft means instant
loss
of power, an aft CG outside of the envelope, and a life-threatening
encounter with the earth's gravitational pull.

("Bob Chilcoat" wrote)
My dad used to tell the story of a Corsair prop that departed the a/c
during
a runup somewhere in the Pacific. It flew all the way across the airfield
at low level and was found several hundred feet into the jungle at the end
of an impressive swath cut through the bougainvillea. Depending on the
altitude and RPM at the time of loss, I can easily imagine a lost prop
traveling a mile or two before it hit the ground.


Prop thought fully feathered meant something else.


Montblack

"Montblack" wrote in message
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Prop thought fully feathered meant something else.

Do you leave the prop feathered while doing a runup on a Corsair (or any
other airplane with a feathering prop)? I wouldn't have thought so.

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:37:17 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

Do you leave the prop feathered while doing a runup on a Corsair (or any
other airplane with a feathering prop)? I wouldn't have thought so.

I don't think the Corsair had a full feathering prop. Wouldn't be any
point and would just add more complexity to an already complex
airplane. Never heard any mention of any WWII pilot feathering the
prop on a Corsair, but I don't know everything.

Corky Scott

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:23:11 -0400, Corky Scott
wrote:

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:37:17 -0700, "Peter Duniho"
wrote:

Do you leave the prop feathered while doing a runup on a Corsair (or any
other airplane with a feathering prop)? I wouldn't have thought so.

I don't think the Corsair had a full feathering prop. Wouldn't be any
point and would just add more complexity to an already complex
airplane. Never heard any mention of any WWII pilot feathering the
prop on a Corsair, but I don't know everything.

Corky Scott

I don't know everything either (shhh....!!!) but you can't feather the
prop on a Corsair.

Bela P. Havasreti)