What can I log as XC time?

Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?

Newps wrote in
:



Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?


(3) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of
this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of
departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.

ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements
(except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot
certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a
commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the
purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a
rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line
distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of
departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.


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Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Newps wrote in
:



Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?



(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?

"Newps" wrote in message
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(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?

-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
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The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

"Mike O'Malley" wrote in message
news
"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
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The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

If you believe Corrigan was actually lost, I have some nice sunny desert
resort property on the Olympic Peninsula to sell you.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Mike O'Malley" wrote in message
news
"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
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The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate
to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

If you believe Corrigan was actually lost, I have some nice sunny desert
resort property on the Olympic Peninsula to sell you.

Is that anywhere near a nice beach?

Damn, forgot the :-) again. Amazing what a lack of inflection can do to a
sentence.

BTW- I realize he wasn't really lost, but was denied permission to attempt
the flight and used that as his official excuse.

Mike O'Malley

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:05:46 -0500, "Mike O'Malley"
wrote:

But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

Douglas Corrigan knew perfectly well where he was going, and he got
there by navigating.

(For those of a younger generation, Corrigan was refused permission to
fly from New York to Ireland, so he declared that instead he was
flying to Los Angeles, and behold! He landed in Ireland by mistake. He
even wrote a book about it. Life was much more innocent in those
days.)

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C Kingsbury wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?



Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?

Yeah, but it doesn't say correctly navigate.

Newps wrote:
The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?

1. You take off, ignore headings and ground features etc, just fly for an
hour, see an airport, land (I'm sure we'd all count this an XC anyway)

2. You fly in formation, spend 100% of the time looking at the other
airplane, land - technically not a XC by navigation, pilotage.


I'm not stating my position, agreeing or disagreeing, just thinking of
possibilities.

Hilton