What can I log as XC time?

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote

Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Therefore, your local flights away from your home airport will not count
as
xc time because it did not land at an airport other then the point of
departure.

Re-read his post. Carefully, this time.
--
Jim in NC


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"C J Campbell" wrote in
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure

Where does it say that?




61.1(b)(3)

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Newps wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?


(3) Cross-country time means—

(i) Except as provided in paragraphs (b)(3)(ii) through (b)(3)(vi) of
this section, time acquired during flight—

(A) Conducted by a person who holds a pilot certificate;

(B) Conducted in an aircraft;

(C) That includes a landing at a point other than the point of
departure; and

(D) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.

ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements
(except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot
certificate (except for a powered parachute category rating), a
commercial pilot certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the
purpose of exercising recreational pilot privileges (except in a
rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c), time acquired during a flight—

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line
distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of
departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
navigation aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to
the landing point.


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Newps wrote:

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?

I suppose that it would depend on how you define pilotage. Under certain
exceptionally clear conditions after a weather front passed through, I have been in a
position at 3,000' to see a large landmark which I know to be right beside a
particular airport which is over 50 miles away. Some people might not regard a direct
flight to that airport as pilotage, since it doesn't use intermediate waypoints.
Perhaps the person who wrote that clause is one of these people.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more than
50 miles away. Flying 75 miles out and then back without landing
doesn't count. It's a stupid rule but that's what it is.

from my understand though, the rules are vague though. What if I fly
from airport A for a touch and go at airport B for 51 nm. I then fly to
airport C that is 25nm and do a bounce and go. I then continue back to
airport A another 25 nm and land. I believe I can count that as all XC.
Or am I wrong and all airports that I land/touch and go at have to
be 50 nm apart?

Gerald

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in
:


"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
. 5...

Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure

Where does it say that?




61.1(b)(3)

All that says is that the cross country flights required for some (but not
all, by any means) certificates and ratings must be 50 miles. FAR 61.1
defines a cross country as a flight with a landing someplace other than the
airport of departure, no matter how short a distance it is. There are
several regulatory reasons for this. For example, student pilots may be
signed off to make repeated cross country flights under 25 miles.

There is also a special definition of cross country flight for military
pilots which does not involve landing at another airport.

Recreational pilots are specifically limited to cross country flights of
less than 50 nautical miles without an endorsement. Airline transport pilots
are required to have 500 hours of cross country time, but those cross
country flights have no distance requirements.

"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
. com...
To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more than
50 miles away. Flying 75 miles out and then back without landing
doesn't count. It's a stupid rule but that's what it is.

from my understand though, the rules are vague though. What if I fly
from airport A for a touch and go at airport B for 51 nm. I then fly to
airport C that is 25nm and do a bounce and go. I then continue back to
airport A another 25 nm and land. I believe I can count that as all XC.
Or am I wrong and all airports that I land/touch and go at have to
be 50 nm apart?

No, they don't. They can all be one mile apart and the flight will still be
a cross country. Not only that, if you are flying a 50 nm cross country for
the purpose of logging it towards, say, a commercial certificate, then you
can stop at any number of interim airports.

The rules are quite clear. Take the 150 nm cross country for a private pilot
certificate, for example. This cross country flight has its own special
rules and definition. The total distance must be at least 150 nm, but only
one segment between airports must be at least 50 nm. You could meet this
particular cross country requirement by flying to an airport that is 10 nm
away, doing a touch and go, then to an airport 65 miles from that, do a
touch and go, and return to your original point of departure. Out and back
is 150 nm and two of the legs were over 50 nm. Or, you could fly 45 nm from
A to B, 64 nm from B to C, and 45 nm from C to A, for a total distance of
154 miles, one leg being over 50 nm, but none of the airports being more
than 50 nm from the airport of original departure.

"Newps" wrote in message
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?

Of course it is. You simply fly in some random direction, perhaps
blindfolded, until you find a place to land.

The regulation is a little like the IFR currency rules, which require you to
not only fly approaches and holding patterns, but also intercepting and
tracking radio aids or courses. It is very difficult to fly approaches or
holding patterns without also intercepting and tracking courses, but they
put it in the regulations anyway.

I log any flight over 50 NM, and any shorter flight (fewer of these
each year) that requires me to use the chart and GPS.

all the best -- Dan Ford
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"Morgans" wrote in
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"Andrew Sarangan" wrote

Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Therefore, your local flights away from your home airport will not
count
as
xc time because it did not land at an airport other then the point of
departure.

Re-read his post. Carefully, this time.


Please, if you have something useful to say, please do. Don't be so
patronizing.

The question was whether he can log XC time when flying locally (ie take
off and land at the same airport). It doesn't matter whether that
airport happens to be his normal home airport or not. If you do not land
at a point farther than 50NM from where you took off, you cannot count
that as xc experience for most ratings.



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