Question from a new flight student (whopping 7 hours!)

"Teacherjh" wrote in message
...

I've got to say that I've honestly never seen anyone leave the pattern
just
to re-enter on a 45.


I do sometimes, though I come over the airport 1000 feet above pattern
altitude.

Maybe I misunderstand the original statement, but the procedure you describe
doesn't have you leaving the pattern in order to re-enter on the 45. You
weren't in the pattern in the first place, since (by your own statement) you
were ABOVE the pattern.

I often overfly the airport, head out and come back on the 45. But I can't
recall a single instance when I was actually already on a legitimate leg in
the traffic pattern, made a turn away from the pattern for the purpose of
positioning myself on the 45, for the further purpose of re-entering the
pattern. That just sounds silly to me.

Pete

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:33:04 GMT, zatatime
wrote:

Nope. Many airports (and most I fly in and out of) use an 800 foot
TPA, which is the original "standard TPA."

I didn't know that! God, I love newsgroups!

Makes sense. 800 feet is certainly the right TPA for a Cub.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:20:38 GMT, zatatime
wrote:

I've always assumed an 800' pattern
if I didn't see an entry (and have never had a problem), but what you
wrote seems to show a different standard than I was taught.

I took my flight lessons & ground school in 1997. I was told to assume
1,000 feet--even though I fly from an airport with 800 feet TPA!

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:22:12 -0600, Newps wrote:

This would put you at the wrong altitude at a great deal of airports.
Doesn't causing a safety hazard bother you?

Nope.

Please don't fly in southeastern New Hampshire. Promise?


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:42:49 -0600, Newps wrote:

It is not uncommon for others to enter just like me except they will
then make a right turn(approax 45 degrees) and fly away from the pattern
on a southwesterly heading, into the face of other traffic entering on
the 45, fly out a couple miles and then do a 180 for the sole purpose of
entering the pattern on the 45. These people are nuts

Yes, they are. But so are you, declaring that "nope" it doesn't bother
you that you may create a hazard by flyiing at a non-standard altitude
in the pattern.

The existence of stupid pilots is not a reason for you to behave
stupidly, but a reason for you to be even more punctilious in doing
the expected thing. In the case you describe, there is one hazard at
the airport. But you are declaring your right to add a second one!


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:59:38 -0400, Corky Scott
wrote:

How's that? If you look at the field elevation on the sectional, and
add 1000 feet, that's the pattern altitude isn't it? Are there lots
of airports that specify a non standard pattern altitude?

Many of them, especially small ones. The airport I fly from has a
field altitude of 100 feet and a TPA of 900.

I have the essential information on 10 airports on my knee-board. On
six of them your system would be correct. The others vary from the
thousand-foot rule by anywhere from 65 feet to 200 feet.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 16:02:11 GMT, "John Kirksey"
wrote:

I found a cool site, www.myairplane.com, that appears to have just about all
approach plates and for most of the airports in the US, and airport diagrams
for many of them as well. They even have the sectional charts online in a
digital format that lets you zoom in/out and pan around all of the sectional
charts.

That digital chart is magnificent! Many thanks for the pointer.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:26 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Our FBO manager loves to play with these guys, telling them stuff like
"winds are variable -- you have your choice of 6 runways..." or he'll simply
give them the AWOS frequency, laconically stating that "our AWOS will give
you the complete weather every 30 seconds...

The second is excusable, but I don't think the first is. I know what
the conversation would be in the jury room when they were trying to
assess liability for damages. ("Well, he told the guy to land on any
runway!")


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

"Cub Driver" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:21:26 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

Our FBO manager loves to play with these guys, telling them stuff like
"winds are variable -- you have your choice of 6 runways..." or he'll
simply
give them the AWOS frequency, laconically stating that "our AWOS will
give
you the complete weather every 30 seconds...

The second is excusable, but I don't think the first is. I know what
the conversation would be in the jury room when they were trying to
assess liability for damages. ("Well, he told the guy to land on any
runway!")

No he didn't. He said he had his choice of six which is true no matter what
the wind might be. What liability would they be trying to assess?




all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum www.pipercubforum.com
Viva Bush! www.vivabush.org

.... but the procedure you describe
doesn't have you leaving the pattern in order
to re-enter on the 45. [...] you
were ABOVE the pattern.


Correct. I was expanding a bit.

Jose


--
(for Email, make the obvious changes in my address)