What can I log as XC time?

Andrew Sarangan wrote:

Newps wrote in
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Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy
several requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from
the original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point
of departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage,
electronic etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?



(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?

G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Newps wrote:

Andrew Sarangan wrote:


Look up the definition of cross-country flight. It must satisfy several
requirements, such as:
- the flight must include a landing at a point farther than 50NM from the
original point of departure
- the flight must include a landing at a point other than the point of
departure
- the flight must involve navigation (dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic
etc..)

Is it even possible to satisfy 1 & 2 but not 3?


I suppose that it would depend on how you define pilotage. Under certain
exceptionally clear conditions after a weather front passed through, I have been in a
position at 3,000' to see a large landmark which I know to be right beside a
particular airport which is over 50 miles away. Some people might not regard a direct
flight to that airport as pilotage, since it doesn't use intermediate waypoints.
Perhaps the person who wrote that clause is one of these people.

That is absolutely pilotage.

Gerald Sylvester wrote:

To be legal as a cross country you have to land at an airport more
than 50 miles away. Flying 75 miles out and then back without landing
doesn't count. It's a stupid rule but that's what it is.


from my understand though, the rules are vague though. What if I fly
from airport A for a touch and go at airport B for 51 nm.

Rule satisfied. That's a cross country.

I then fly to
airport C that is 25nm and do a bounce and go. I then continue back to
airport A another 25 nm and land.

The whole thing is a cross country.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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airport of departure, it doesn't count for most ratings. Theoretically, it
is possible to fly the 150 nm cross country with landings at three
airports
for private pilot without ever getting more than 50 nm from the original
airport of departure, but that is a little ridiculous.


I did my long private solo XC flying from BED-SFM-EEN-BED, basically a big
triangle. EEN is 50nm on the dot from BED, and SFM is 65ish, so I was never
more than 65nm away.

-cwk.

"Newps" wrote in message
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(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?

-cwk.

"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
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The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

Newps wrote:
The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?

1. You take off, ignore headings and ground features etc, just fly for an
hour, see an airport, land (I'm sure we'd all count this an XC anyway)

2. You fly in formation, spend 100% of the time looking at the other
airplane, land - technically not a XC by navigation, pilotage.


I'm not stating my position, agreeing or disagreeing, just thinking of
possibilities.

Hilton

C Kingsbury wrote:
"Newps" wrote in message
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(3) Cross-country time means—

The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?



Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?

Yeah, but it doesn't say correctly navigate.

"Mike O'Malley" wrote in message
news
"C Kingsbury" wrote in message
ink.net...

"Newps" wrote in message
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The point is can you land at some distant airport and not navigate to
it. Why even put that stupid statement in there?


Maybe to get their revenge on "Wrong Way" Corrigan?


But he used dead-reckoning. He was really wrong, but it doesn't say
anything about how accurate your navigation has to be.

If you believe Corrigan was actually lost, I have some nice sunny desert
resort property on the Olympic Peninsula to sell you.

If, somewhere in your flight you take off from A and land at B it's cross
country. If somewhere in your flight you take off from A and somewhere in that
same flight you land at B where B is more than 50 nm away from A, then the
flight is cross country which can be counted towards most ratings that require
it. (the 50nm thing).

The flight can occur over several days. A and B do not have to be the
beginning and end of your flight. Stuff can happen before, between, and after
A and B. The whole flight is still cross country.

The thing hinges on what you call a "flight", and it's your call. There is
room for reasonable differences in what you might want to call a flight, and
what I might want to call a flight, but the regs accomodate both.

In fact (as far as I can tell) you can log an entire ordinary month's worth of
air time as a single flight, and if ever you landed more than 50nm from any
place you took off from, you can log the entire thing as cross country. Now
this much of a stretch might raise the eyebrows of the FAA (and eventually
prompt more rulemaking), but nothing in the regs that I'm aware of would
prevent the flight from being used as XC for ratings. It might even be quite
reasonable (say, you took a month to travel from Bangor Maine to San Diego
California, and did it in short hops, including some barnstorming, over the
course of a month).

You don't even have to log consistently. For example, some out and back
flights I log as one flight, some I log as two. (logging them as two, if one
leg is all night, makes it easier to infer a night takeoff - aside - the FAA
requires night takeoffs for currency, but most logbooks don't provide a column
for takeoffs, though they provide one for landings, though they don't provide
one for night landings...)

Jose

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