Letter from Jess Meyers

Matt Whiting wrote in
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Ernest Christley wrote:

Matt Whiting wrote:

It's a medical problem that has always existed, ...

Baloney....


Matt


From: http://pwp.value.net/~fitness/wghtnews.htm#10

"In a study of 11 individuals who were highly resistant to weight loss
while dieting, researchers measured all of these individuals' activity and
food calories for 14 days. The individuals also kept a log of their food
and exercise activities. At the end of the experiment, the research showed
that these individuals under reported their food calories by 47% and over
reported their exercise calories by 51%.

Prior to testing, these individuals believed their inability to lose weight
was due to a low resting metabolic rate and other metabolic factors. They
were distressed to learn tests showed their metabolisms to be normal.

These results are in agreement with many other studies showing individuals
oftentimes mis-report and consequently mis-perceive their actual food
intake and exercise activities."


Rob

Rob, Matt,

Metabolism is one fator, there are many more. Genetics could also
play a role in other things such as behavior or the person's ability
to taste or smell the food and the effect eating certain food has on
them.

I obviously feel that genetics plays a much more significant role than
you do. I can't deny that stomach stapling of fat people results in
much lower caloric intake and significant weight loss. At the same
time, I can't deny that doubling or tripling the caloric intake while
simultaneously reducing carbs to near zero will also result in rapid
weight loss in many people. The effectivness of a low carb / high
calorie diet is well known.

My nonscientific opinion about the low carb mechanism is that I
believe that carbs are a catalyst needed for digesting fat. In my own
experiments, a carb binge while on a low carb diet usually has
disasterous results. In my case, I can eat huge bowls of zero carb
ice cream covered in zero carb chocolate syrup and show a weight loss.
But if I throw a cracker in the works, all bets are off.

With that said, it is also possible that for genetic reasons, some fat
people may simply have more efficient digestive systems. Maybe their
livers secrete some enzyme that mine doesn't - I don't know. But even
if the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a
genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is
obvious.

Dennis.

Rob McDonald wrote:

"In a study of 11 individuals who were highly resistant to weight loss

Prior to testing, these individuals believed their inability to lose weight
was due to a low resting metabolic rate and other metabolic factors. They
were distressed to learn tests showed their metabolisms to be normal.

Dennis Hawkins
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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:51:04 GMT, wrote:

Obese tendencies run in families - that much is
obvious.

Often true, but is it genetic or is it learned behavior?

Tiny children of obese parents are often also obese. The infants can
only eat what's in front of them, so if they are obese, it's because
the parents are feeding them too much. Habits learned at an early age
are very difficult to unlearn.

The children have their obese parents as role models. If the parents
are obese, why would the children think it's not normal?

I think this is mostly learned behavior, not genetics.

Corky Scott

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:51:04 +0000, n4mwd.dont.spam.me wrote:

f the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a
genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is
obvious.

What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as well.
I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in Law's he's
always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of the normal amount
you should consume. Of course he eats a lot of food and considers it
normal and anybody who doesn't eat as much as him needs more. That's how
it works.

Those who cry GENETICS are those who do not have the will power to do a
proper diet. I admit there are those who truly do have medical problems,
but not all that cry it.

Lets use you for an example because I already posted my info, how many
calories do you consume in a day before and during your diet now?

Matthew P. Cummings wrote:

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 02:51:04 +0000, n4mwd.dont.spam.me wrote:

f the genetic trait is simply the lack of willpower, then its still a
genetic trait. Obese tendencies run in families - that much is
obvious.

What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as well.
I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in Law's he's
always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of the normal amount
you should consume. Of course he eats a lot of food and considers it
normal and anybody who doesn't eat as much as him needs more. That's how
it works.

Those who cry GENETICS are those who do not have the will power to do a
proper diet. I admit there are those who truly do have medical problems,
but not all that cry it.

Lets use you for an example because I already posted my info, how many
calories do you consume in a day before and during your diet now?



Like I have always said:
Obesity IS Genetic! You LEARN your eating habits from your parents!
John (Eating Every Thing On My Plate!) P.

In John wrote:
Matthew P. Cummings wrote:

What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as
well. I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in
Law's he's always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of

Like I have always said:
Obesity IS Genetic! You LEARN your eating habits from your parents!
John (Eating Every Thing On My Plate!) P.

If obesity is all learned behavior, I want to know why my brother and I
can eat pretty much whatever we want without gaining weight? Our dad
was the same way until he got into his 50s, and even then didn't have to
cut back much on food. My eating habits are atrocious and may
eventually kill me but it probably won't be because I am overweight.

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On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 21:06:07 +0000, Del Rawlins wrote:

If obesity is all learned behavior, I want to know why my brother and I
can eat pretty much whatever we want without gaining weight? Our dad

I don't know how old you are, I'm pretty young at 38. While in my younger
days I could also eat as much of any type of food out there without so
much as a single pound added. That's also what caused me to gain weight
in my early 30's. You see, I stopped playing Basketball, volleyball,
Baseball, and hiking due to knee troubles. Once I reduced those
activities I gained weight rather quickly.

It all depends on what you do during the day. I bet if you did what I do
now you would also gain weight. I also don't fidget or anything when I'm
idle, I'm steady as a rock and so I have no extra calorie burn either.

In . net Matthew P.
Cummings wrote:

It all depends on what you do during the day. I bet if you did what I
do now you would also gain weight. I also don't fidget or anything
when I'm idle, I'm steady as a rock and so I have no extra calorie
burn either.

That probably has a lot to do with it. I'm about as jumpy as a cat and
don't like to sit still for very long. I'm not too keen on exercise for
its own sake but have been known to push my canoe several miles upstream
with a stick from time to time.

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Del Rawlins wrote:

In John wrote:

Matthew P. Cummings wrote:


What's obvious is that obese people feed their kids too much food as
well. I can look to my own family for that info. At my Father in
Law's he's always pushing more food towards you, much in excess of

Like I have always said:
Obesity IS Genetic! You LEARN your eating habits from your parents!
John (Eating Every Thing On My Plate!) P.


If obesity is all learned behavior, I want to know why my brother and I
can eat pretty much whatever we want without gaining weight? Our dad
was the same way until he got into his 50s, and even then didn't have to
cut back much on food. My eating habits are atrocious and may
eventually kill me but it probably won't be because I am overweight.

I don't think they said obesity is a learned behaviour. Obesity is a
state or condition, not a behaviour. Eating improperly is the learned
behaviour.

I could eat all I wanted and LOSE weight ... when I was 18 years old and
worked as a logger. The fact that I burned between 6,000 and 8,000
calories during an average work day probably had a little to do with it.
When I graduated from college and started a desk job, I cut my eating
in half, but was gaining a pound a month or more. Turns out half was
still a lot more than I needed when driving a desk.

I don't know what you and your brother do for a living or for sports or
hobbies, but I seriously doubt you are sitting around all day if you are
really eating a lot.


Matt

"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote:

Those who cry GENETICS are those who do not have the will power to do a
proper diet. I admit there are those who truly do have medical problems,
but not all that cry it.

Lets use you for an example because I already posted my info, how many
calories do you consume in a day before and during your diet now?


Ok, I'll try. I must admit I don't know the exact amount of calories
I have been consuming before and during the Atkins diet, so the
following is just a good guess.

I would have to say that my caloric intake is probably doubled from
what it was before I started back on the low carb diet. This is
because before, I ate cheaper foods that were relatively low fat.
Things like baked potatos and fruits are comparatively very low fat
and not unreasonable in calories. My experience has shown that a low
fat, high carb diet results in weight gain.

However, with a high fat, low carb diet, I'm eating lots of zero carb
ice cream, fatty steaks, hamburger, bacon, sausage, eggs, cheese,
hotdogs and the like. A gram of fat packs a lot more calories than a
typical carb. I frequently have a bowl of popcorn consisting of 2
tablespoons of kernels with 3 tablespoons of butter and 4 ounces of
velveta cheese melted over the top of it. And Yes, despite all the
calories and fat, I'm losing weight. Popcorn does have a lot of carbs
(about 20 as described here), but I don't eat that more than a few
times a week.

The most serious problem with the low carb lifestyle is the expense.
Now that its catching on more, the price of meat products has gotten
unjustifiably unreasononable. Zero carb ice cream runs about $5 a
half gallon.

But getting back to your question, all in all, I would have to say
that there is good reason to beleive that I'm consuming at least
double the calories and still losing weight.

Dennis.

Dennis Hawkins
n4mwd AT amsat DOT org (humans know what to do)

"A RECESSION is when you know somebody who is out of work.
A DEPRESSION is when YOU are out of work.
A RECOVERY is when all the H-1B's are out of work."

To find out what an H-1B is and how Congress is using
them to put Americans out of work, visit the following
web site and click on the "Exporting America" CNN news
video: http://zazona.com/ShameH1B/MediaClips.htm