Air Bus 300 crash in NY now blamed on co-pilot's improper use of rudder

Could someone refresh my memory....
what is the definition of maneuvering speed again?

PS2727 wrote:

Could someone refresh my memory....
what is the definition of maneuvering speed again?

That you can fully deflect any control surface without structural
damage. However, this does *not* necessairily imply that you can waggle
from one extrem to the other! Actually, you can't do so with many airliners.

Stefan

Stefan wrote:

PS2727 wrote:

Could someone refresh my memory....
what is the definition of maneuvering speed again?

That you can fully deflect any control surface without structural
damage. However, this does *not* necessairily imply that you can waggle
from one extrem to the other! Actually, you can't do so with many
airliners.

I recently read an article on this subject; I just cannot recall where.
It's not just "waggle from one extreme to another" that's not covered by
Va, but also multiple inputs (ie. aeleron and rudder) in directions which
cause opposing (or concurring?) forces.

Anyone recall this article? Otherwise, I'll be digging through some
magazines tonight.

- Andrew

PS2727 wrote:
Could someone refresh my memory....
what is the definition of maneuvering speed again?

Design manouvering speed applies to pitch changes.

Before or after the loss of this aircraft?

PS2727 wrote:
Could someone refresh my memory....
what is the definition of maneuvering speed again?

As a multiengine instructor who has witnessed students applying full rudder in
the wrong direction after a simulated engine failure then quickly apply full
opposite rudder in the correct direction am I to understand that I was in
mortal danger from the tail breaking off? Seems that is a little late in
telling pilots how these things are designed....What next, we can't reverse
ailerons when landing in gusty conditions without breaking something there as
well?
Also, maybe someone can explain why the rudder limiter on this Airbus didn't
protect the structure when its sole purpose in life is to prevent damage to the
structure by limiting rudder movement at higher speeds.

"PS2727" wrote in message
...
As a multiengine instructor who has witnessed students applying full
rudder in
the wrong direction after a simulated engine failure then quickly apply
full
opposite rudder in the correct direction am I to understand that I was in
mortal danger from the tail breaking off? Seems that is a little late in
telling pilots how these things are designed....What next, we can't
reverse
ailerons when landing in gusty conditions without breaking something there
as
well?
..

No, the limitation applies to transport catagory aircraft.

Also, maybe someone can explain why the rudder limiter on this Airbus
didn't
protect the structure when its sole purpose in life is to prevent damage
to the
structure by limiting rudder movement at higher speeds

Good question. It was probably never anticipated that airline pilots would
fly the airplane like your multi students.

Mike
MU-2