Co-pilot error caused AA 587 crash

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:38:58 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:



devil wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:12:20 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:



Is that due to the crash at the Paris Airshow several years back?

IIRC, the pilot commanded a flight attitude in the landing config that the
software wouldn't allow and that led to the aircraft settling into the
trees.


Only crash at a Paris airshow that I know of was of a Tu144. No Airbus
ever crashed in Paris.



I remember the incident though. An A320 full of passengers doing
something it shouldn't have at an air show, and ending up descending
into trees at the end of the runway.

Aircraft destroyed, but incredibly, only one fatality.

You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.

"devil" wrote in message
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On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:38:58 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:



devil wrote:

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:12:20 -0700, Jay Beckman wrote:



Is that due to the crash at the Paris Airshow several years back?

IIRC, the pilot commanded a flight attitude in the landing config that
the
software wouldn't allow and that led to the aircraft settling into the
trees.


Only crash at a Paris airshow that I know of was of a Tu144. No Airbus
ever crashed in Paris.



I remember the incident though. An A320 full of passengers doing
something it shouldn't have at an air show, and ending up descending
into trees at the end of the runway.

Aircraft destroyed, but incredibly, only one fatality.

You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.


devil,

Googled this regarding an A320 accident in France in 1998.

http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~szewczyk/cs294-8/hw1.html

Each of the "Issues" has an article or two regarding this accident.

Some refer to the Paris Airshow, while some just refer to an airshow in
eastern France.

Jay Beckman
Chandler, AZ
PP-ASEL

Jay Beckman wrote:

Some refer to the Paris Airshow, while some just refer to an airshow in
eastern France.

I believe you are referring to the following accident:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880626-0.htm

According that link the accident happened at the Mulhouse-Habsheim airport,
indeed in the east of France, on the Swiss border. The aircraft had taken
off and was supposed to land at the Mulhouse/Basel airport.

With best regards, Peter

"Peter Joosten" wrote in message
...
Jay Beckman wrote:

Some refer to the Paris Airshow, while some just refer to an airshow in
eastern France.

I believe you are referring to the following accident:
http://aviation-safety.net/database/1988/880626-0.htm

According that link the accident happened at the Mulhouse-Habsheim
airport,
indeed in the east of France, on the Swiss border. The aircraft had taken
off and was supposed to land at the Mulhouse/Basel airport.

With best regards, Peter


Peter,

Yes, that's the one I was originally thinking about.

I stand corrected that it was NOT the Paris Airshow...but it was in France.

Jay

devil wrote:

You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.

Have I said it was in Paris? I think all I've done is recognise a
particular occurence with an A320 that another poster thought occurred
in Paris, and discussed the issues of the occurence rather than
uninteresting details of geography.

I think I was in Paris, though.

Sylvia.

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:59:57 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:



devil wrote:

You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.

Have I said it was in Paris? I think all I've done is recognise a
particular occurence with an A320 that another poster thought occurred
in Paris, and discussed the issues of the occurence rather than
uninteresting details of geography.

No, the article you quoted did.

I think I was in Paris, though.

No it was not. Only crash at an airshow in Paris was the infamous T144
one.

devil wrote:

On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:59:57 +1000, Sylvia Else wrote:



devil wrote:


You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.

Have I said it was in Paris? I think all I've done is recognise a
particular occurence with an A320 that another poster thought occurred
in Paris, and discussed the issues of the occurence rather than
uninteresting details of geography.


No, the article you quoted did.

I think I was in Paris, though.


No it was not. Only crash at an airshow in Paris was the infamous T144
one.

Now here this: _I_ was in paris.

Sylvia.

"Sylvia Else" wrote in message
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devil wrote:

You may remember an incident (accident actually). But if you remember
it
was in Paris, you are remembering wrong.

Have I said it was in Paris? I think all I've done is recognise a
particular occurence with an A320 that another poster thought occurred
in Paris, and discussed the issues of the occurence rather than
uninteresting details of geography.

I think I was in Paris, though.

Sylvia.

The entire problem appears to be you are attempting to do something you are
not used to doing, thinking, leaveing yourself wide open for criticism from
various kinds from various quarters IMHO.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type