Co-pilot error caused AA 587 crash

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Morgans wrote:

"Peter" wrote

In the absence of those there aren't all that many models of cars
that can be flipped on a flat parking lot. That was one of Nader's
original complaints about the Corvair

pppplease everyone note: That was true for pre 63, only.

The 63 and 64 Corvairs were the primary subject of Nader's _Unsafe At Any
Speed_. The 65 Corvairs added a stabilizer to the suspension. And the
primary complaint about the original suspension was not that it caused the
cars to flip, but that it tended to cause the outside wheel to tuck under
during sharp cornering, leading to a sudden breakaway skid with no warning
creep. It could also lead to a rollover if something as minor as a pothole
tripped that wheel as it entered such a skid, but that wasn't the primary
failure mode.

_Consumers' Reports_ once rated a small Suzuki SUV Not Acceptable because of
its tendency to tip, which they speculated could lead to rollover accidents.
It's the rarity of that phenomenon that made it newsworthy. Virtually all
real-world rollover accidents involve the wheels being tripped by a curb or
other obstruction.

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Randy Hudson

Randy Hudson wrote:
It's the rarity of that phenomenon that made it newsworthy. Virtually all
real-world rollover accidents involve the wheels being tripped by a curb or
other obstruction.


You've obviously not watched any good documentary on the subject. Police car
chases in Los Angeles almost always involve some spectacular roll over.
British spies are almost always involved in some form of car chase which
involves some roll over. Heck, in a recent documentary about british spies,
the spy was in a fancy sports car (aston martin if I recall correctly) on
smooth ICE in iceland and the car flipped and slid for a while on its roof,
until the spy pressed the "eject passenger seat" button which causes the case
to bounce back into right side up condition, showing just how easy it is for a
car to flip.

It is possible that there might be something special about gravity in the Los
Angeles area that makes it much easier for cars to flip over. I haven't
personally witnessed any such accidents where I live (except in documentaries
at the he movie theatre or TV).

"nobody" wrote in message
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Randy Hudson wrote:
It's the rarity of that phenomenon that made it newsworthy. Virtually
all
real-world rollover accidents involve the wheels being tripped by a curb
or
other obstruction.


You've obviously not watched any good documentary on the subject. Police
car
chases in Los Angeles almost always involve some spectacular roll over.
British spies are almost always involved in some form of car chase which
involves some roll over. Heck, in a recent documentary about british
spies,
the spy was in a fancy sports car (aston martin if I recall correctly) on
smooth ICE in iceland and the car flipped and slid for a while on its
roof,
until the spy pressed the "eject passenger seat" button which causes the
case
to bounce back into right side up condition, showing just how easy it is
for a
car to flip.

It is possible that there might be something special about gravity in the
Los
Angeles area that makes it much easier for cars to flip over. I haven't
personally witnessed any such accidents where I live (except in
documentaries
at the he movie theatre or TV).

No doubt you have purchased an option of some future "Ocean Front Property"
from AC to park your "Flying Donkeys".
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type