History of the BFR?

That is EXACTLY the attitude that points out your need for a BFR, at
MINIMUM. I recall so many dead pilots that remind me of you.
You just don't like spending the money.

Actually, I ALWAYS have a great time on my BFRs, enjoy them thoroughly, and
always learn a thing or three while I'm at it. You have obviously taken my
quote out of context.

Shoot, I'm always looking for new ways to stretch my skills, and -- although
I don't like spending money -- I don't see BFRs as anything but good.

Which is different than acknowledging the fact that they are "unnecessary"
for people like Mary and me who fly twice a week, into all sorts of
airspace.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Which is different than acknowledging the fact that they are "unnecessary"
for people like Mary and me who fly twice a week, into all sorts of
airspace.

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

Jose
--
for Email, make the obvious change in the address

Which is different than acknowledging the fact that they are
"unnecessary" for people like Mary and me who fly twice a week, into all
sorts of airspace.

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment
you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

I understand your sentiment -- it's unwise to be over-confident -- but in
this case it's just plain silly.

A BFR isn't going to prevent me from spiraling into the ground anymore than
reading the FARs will. Both are good things to do, and both are especially
helpful if you're not current -- but neither will make me a better pilot
than flying 100 times per year will.

Which is what I'm currently doing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Careful Jay. The moment you think that you don't need a BFR is the moment
you will spiral into the ground wondering what happened.

I understand your sentiment -- it's unwise to be over-confident -- but in
this case it's just plain silly.

A BFR isn't going to prevent me from spiraling into the ground anymore than
reading the FARs will.

Of course you have no gaps in knowledge or skill you are aware of. Tell me, do you have any gaps you are UNaware of?

IF you say "no", you are a statistic waiting to happen, and you won't be waiting too long. If you say "probably", then you are a statisitic that is waiting to not happen, if you take the right action.

Jose
--
for Email, make the obvious change in the address

Of course you have no gaps in knowledge or skill you are aware of. Tell
me, do you have any gaps you are UNaware of?

IF you say "no", you are a statistic waiting to happen, and you won't be
waiting too long. If you say "probably", then you are a statisitic that
is waiting to not happen, if you take the right action.

Of course I have huge gaps in my knowledge. I have not flown at night in
IFR conditions. I have not flown in winds over 62 knots. I have never
flown with a cylinder that has blown off. I've never flown with an
in-flight fire...

And so on.

The problem, of course, is that I know in advance precisely what is covered
in the BFR, and practice it twice a week. This makes learning anything new
from a BFR problematic, although I do usually come away from a BFR with a
new thing or two. Which is why it's a good thing.

Which, again, is quite different from saying that a BFR is "necessary" for a
pilot who flies as often as Mary and I do. Quite frankly, it's not.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Which, again, is quite different from saying that a BFR is "necessary" for a
pilot who flies as often as Mary and I do. Quite frankly, it's not.

When you say that, it tells me one thing. When somebody else says that (about you), it tells me another thing.

Are pilot certificates necessary? I sure don't need one.

Jose
--
for Email, make the obvious change in the address

When you say that, it tells me one thing. When somebody else says that
(about you), it tells me another thing.

Are pilot certificates necessary? I sure don't need one.

Obtuse, you are.

Argue more, I will not.

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 20:03:38 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

The problem, of course, is that I know in advance precisely what is covered
in the BFR, and practice it twice a week. This makes learning anything new
from a BFR problematic,


Sounds like getting an instructor who will challenge you instead of
telling you what you will have to do in advance / following the
Private PTS to the letter could resolve that fairly quickly.

z

Jay Honeck wrote:

The problem, of course, is that I know in advance precisely what is covered
in the BFR, and practice it twice a week. This makes learning anything new
from a BFR problematic, although I do usually come away from a BFR with a
new thing or two. Which is why it's a good thing.

Which, again, is quite different from saying that a BFR is "necessary" for a
pilot who flies as often as Mary and I do. Quite frankly, it's not.


Hi Jay!

Nice pic and article in AOPA Mag!

Just a small point about your above comment. Many times the more we
fly, the "more" we start to practice things wrong. A BFR is a great way
to have a "second opinion" take a look at our habits to make sure they
are still good ones and that nothing bad has "crept" in that might start
to become a problem.

I have flown for 20 years with a major airline (27 years total) and also
do a fair share of GA flying...including competition aerobatics. I rack
up around 700 flying hours per year doing both. I'd like to add some
points to your premise that pilots' who fly often don't need BFR's.

1. The requirement to take a BFR forces everyone to crack a book every
24 months and "learn and relearn" important items and procedures that
otherwise would fall by the wayside. Call it ego, laziness,
complacency....(or just being a pilot)

2. A BFR will "hopefully" uncover bad habits and procedures that are
being done incorrectly and correct them before they get worse. Flying a
lot but doing something potentially dangerous that we don't recognize
ourselves, only reinforces the bad habit further and makes it harder to
correct...or worse yet, breeds another bad habit. :-(

3. As a past check airman for my airline, I witnessed many bad habits
that had crept into an otherwise very proficient pilot's procedures
despite flying a the very regimented environment of a major airline day
in and day out. Flying without very specific procedures can lead to even
further deviations over time...such as the GA environment.

4. As you pointed out, 99% of the time something new and helpful is
learned during a BFR, and this new knowledge or skill can make a
difference. The goal is to constantly learn more, and if we can learn
from others knowledge (experience / mistakes) all the better for us.
I'd rather learn from someone else's experience / mistakes vs. making
them myself.

Having said the above, I still find it quite interesting that medical
doctors never have to take "checkrides" to prove their competency in the
hospital (as a doctor) once their diploma is hanging on their wall. ;-)

Take care,

BJ

"B. Jensen" wrote

Having said the above, I still find it quite interesting that medical
doctors never have to take "checkrides" to prove their competency in the
hospital (as a doctor) once their diploma is hanging on their wall. ;-)

Take care,

BJ

Oh, but they do, at least to stay members of their specialty organizations,
or maybe for any area. They have to take a certain number of continuing
education classes (or meetings) per renewal cycle, to stay in good standing.
--
Jim in NC


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