An Olive Branch

In article ,
Philip Sondericker wrote:

myself actually hopeful for the future. With Republicans enjoying an
unprecedented mandate, controlling the White House, having substantial
majorities in both Houses of Congress, and even an advantage in
Governorships and state legislatures, I'm looking forward to the following:

1. Fiscal responsibility
2. Balanced budgets
3. Smaller and less intrusive government
4. Greater personal liberties
5. A strong and all-volunteer military
6. Strong alliances and respect around the world

All of the above are, of course, the bedrock philosophy of the Republican
party. Or so I've been told my whole life. I can hardly wait for all of it
to happen.

Re-read this post 3 times, and I still, seriously, can't decide if it's
really intended to be serious or sarcasm -- particular items 3 and 4
(with the Religious Right in the ascendancy).

Scary either way, I guess.

In article ,
Philip Sondericker wrote:

myself actually hopeful for the future. With Republicans enjoying an
unprecedented mandate, controlling the White House, having substantial
majorities in both Houses of Congress, and even an advantage in
Governorships and state legislatures, I'm looking forward to the
following:

1. Fiscal responsibility
2. Balanced budgets
3. Smaller and less intrusive government
4. Greater personal liberties
5. A strong and all-volunteer military
6. Strong alliances and respect around the world

All of the above are, of course, the bedrock philosophy of the
Republican
party. Or so I've been told my whole life. I can hardly wait for all of
it
to happen.

"AES/newspost" wrote in message
...

Re-read this post 3 times, and I still, seriously, can't decide if it's
really intended to be serious or sarcasm -- particular items 3 and 4
(with the Religious Right in the ascendancy).

Scary either way, I guess.

"Religious Right in the ascendancy" did you get that from your Tarot cards
or your astrologer?

LOL

Allen

"Religious Right in the ascendancy" did you get that from your Tarot
cards
or your astrologer?

Yeah, I was wondering about myself.

I'm a "conservative" and mostly "Republican" -- but I'm no church-goer, and
I don't see any evidence of the "Religious Right" in the Republican Party --
at least not in these parts.

I think the "Religious Right" is a creation of the media. They find some
idiot standing on a soap box, spouting off about "God's will," stick a
camera and a microphone in his face, and proclaim him to be the "new face of
the Republican Party!"

Are there religious people in the Republican Party? Sure! And there's a
whole bunch of 'em in the Democratic Party, too.

America is a religious place...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:aItid.296104$wV.217316@attbi_s54...
I'm a "conservative" and mostly "Republican" -- but I'm no church-goer,
and I don't see any evidence of the "Religious Right" in the Republican
Party

The facts are not on your side. The Republican party has made a huge effort
to woo the "religious right", especially over the last two decades. There's
a reason that the strong push to encourage evangelical Christians to come
out and vote was backed by the Republican party. Exit polls from this
election (and any other recent elections) clearly show a strong correlation
between degree of religious conviction and voting Republican.

[...]
Are there religious people in the Republican Party? Sure! And there's a
whole bunch of 'em in the Democratic Party, too.

A true statement. But one that ignores who the evangelicals and
fundamentalists generally vote for. Not all people who consider themselves
"religious" actually share the same beliefs, but there is definitely one
core group of people who consider themselves "religious" that the
Republicans go out of their way to appeal to. And, contrary to the supposed
"conservative" nature of the Republican party, that core group would very
much have all of their religious tenets codified into law.

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:aItid.296104$wV.217316@attbi_s54...
I'm a "conservative" and mostly "Republican" -- but I'm no church-goer,
and I don't see any evidence of the "Religious Right" in the Republican
Party

The facts are not on your side. The Republican party has made a huge effort
to woo the "religious right", especially over the last two decades. There's
a reason that the strong push to encourage evangelical Christians to come
out and vote was backed by the Republican party. Exit polls from this
election (and any other recent elections) clearly show a strong correlation
between degree of religious conviction and voting Republican.

[...]
Are there religious people in the Republican Party? Sure! And there's a
whole bunch of 'em in the Democratic Party, too.

A true statement. But one that ignores who the evangelicals and
fundamentalists generally vote for. Not all people who consider themselves
"religious" actually share the same beliefs, but there is definitely one
core group of people who consider themselves "religious" that the
Republicans go out of their way to appeal to. And, contrary to the supposed
"conservative" nature of the Republican party, that core group would very
much have all of their religious tenets codified into law.

Oh please. The Democrats have been working hard to woo the Religous Left vote
for decades. More recently, how many did Kerry attend protestant church
services in very liberal areas and/or predominantly black churches? "If it's
Sunday, it's Kerry in the AME." Or Kerry expounding on the important lessons of
St Paul and James or preaching about the Good Samaritan and God's high calling
to an Ohio Congregation, or talking about how you reach the kingdom of Heaven.
Was that part of Kerry's own (Catholic) faith, or was he using to church to
pander for votes, or what? The cheerleading Boston Globe even ran stories about
Kerry (re)discovering his Jewish roots---Jews in the US tend to vote Democrat.
Kerry claim to base his policy on his religous beliefs, including his political
objections to the death penalty.

"Through many dangers, toils and snares I have already come. . . Tis grace that
brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home." - John Kerry speaking at
Mt. Olivet Baptist Church in Ohio.

"My faith affects everything that I do, in truth" - John Kerry in the
Presidential Debate (Tempe, AZ)

-=-Alexis

"Alexis Carlson" wrote in message
...
Oh please. The Democrats have been working hard to woo the
Religous Left vote for decades.

So what? First, they haven't done a very effective job (or the "religious
left" is very tiny), since those who state a religious preference of any
sort of Christianity are strongly in the Bush camp (again based on
polls...I'm not interested in any more crap about "well the polls are
wrong"...they are almost always quite close to the truth).

But regardless of what the Democrats have tried, the fact remains that the
Republicans continue to enjoy strong support from the evangelicals and
fundamentalists.

So, did you have a point, or what?

Pete

Peter Duniho wrote:

"Alexis Carlson" wrote in message
...
Oh please. The Democrats have been working hard to woo the
Religous Left vote for decades.

So what? First, they haven't done a very effective job (or the "religious
left" is very tiny), since those who state a religious preference of any
sort of Christianity are strongly in the Bush camp (again based on
polls...I'm not interested in any more crap about "well the polls are
wrong"...they are almost always quite close to the truth).

But regardless of what the Democrats have tried, the fact remains that the
Republicans continue to enjoy strong support from the evangelicals and
fundamentalists.

So, did you have a point, or what?

The point is you're wrong with respect to Democrats. As was pointed out in
the Wall St Journal today, Senator Kerry won nearly half of the Catholic votes
and more than three fourths of Jewish votes. If the Democrats could not
appeal to the moral values of people, that fact must have been lost on the 48%
of the voters who supported Sen. Kerry.

You do understand that bottom posting after several dozen quoted lines gets you
first-class into the dumper, don't you?

Jim



Alexis Carlson
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

-Peter Duniho wrote:
-
- "Jay Honeck" wrote in message
- news:aItid.296104$wV.217316@attbi_s54...
- I'm a "conservative" and mostly "Republican" -- but I'm no church-goer,
- and I don't see any evidence of the "Religious Right" in the Republican
- Party


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

On Thu, 04 Nov 2004 17:31:50 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

I don't see any evidence of the "Religious Right" in the Republican Party --
at least not in these parts.

You can't see our president? HUGE grin

More seriously, you didn't hear about his support of faith based
initiatives?

Corky Scott

in article , AES/newspost at
wrote on 11/4/04 8:15 AM:

In article ,
Philip Sondericker wrote:

myself actually hopeful for the future. With Republicans enjoying an
unprecedented mandate, controlling the White House, having substantial
majorities in both Houses of Congress, and even an advantage in
Governorships and state legislatures, I'm looking forward to the following:

1. Fiscal responsibility
2. Balanced budgets
3. Smaller and less intrusive government
4. Greater personal liberties
5. A strong and all-volunteer military
6. Strong alliances and respect around the world

All of the above are, of course, the bedrock philosophy of the Republican
party. Or so I've been told my whole life. I can hardly wait for all of it
to happen.

Re-read this post 3 times, and I still, seriously, can't decide if it's
really intended to be serious or sarcasm -- particular items 3 and 4
(with the Religious Right in the ascendancy).

Scary either way, I guess.

Whether or not the post is sarcastic is really not the point. The GOP has an
almost unprecedented opportunity to advance its agenda, and I will be quite
curious over the next four years to see how many of its supposedly core
beliefs are put into practice.

What say the Republicans in here? Can we look forward to smaller government
and a balanced budget?