Cellphone via headset ?

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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You'd probably think differently if you knew what it cost to make it.


Ohh don't go there, I have reverse engineered many electronics devices in my
9 years being an E.E. I know the cost of electronics devices quality of
PCB's and components & workmanship. None of the cell phone adapters would
cost over $5.00ea to have mass produced and that is a high estimate using
good parts with tolerances of 1-2% not 5 to 10% and for $300.00 I could
build 20 of them using US supply houses.

Um - actually I work with the chap runs the flightcell company, and have
been privvy to a lot of "behind the scenes" info. I'm afraid to say, you
couldn't be further from the truth. Additionally, if you can supply all the
components for less than $5 (same quality) I'm sure we could get you a 100%
margin and make you a very rich person.

It's not just the components - it's the research and development - the
marketing - the wages - the rent - hell, even a bit of profit (and not as
much as you're thinking). The mould for the case alone cost over $5,000 USD.

Interestingly the USAF took a look at them and have bought over 1200 of
them, with more to follow. Only cell phone interface endorsed by Bose too.

(PS: I've been involved in electronics / avionics for 26 years)

Just my 10c worth.



"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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You'd probably think differently if you knew what it cost to make it.


Ohh don't go there, I have reverse engineered many electronics devices in
my
9 years being an E.E. I know the cost of electronics devices quality of
PCB's and components & workmanship. None of the cell phone adapters would
cost over $5.00ea to have mass produced and that is a high estimate using
good parts with tolerances of 1-2% not 5 to 10% and for $300.00 I could
build 20 of them using US supply houses.

Just in from the creator ...

Quote ...

There is no component in Flightcell with more than 1% tolerance.
There are in excess of 180 components on the PCB. The connectors cost

minimum $10 USD each and there are up to 4 of those. Add to this 5 digital

pots at $12 each and already you can see ...

AND ...

If he signs a NDA, we will send him all the drawings. If he can make it

cheaper than we can without any reduction in quality then we will send all

our production to him. How's that for challenge. This is a serious offer!!!!

[END QUOTE]

So, is anyone going to take him up on the offer?


"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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You'd probably think differently if you knew what it cost to make it.


Ohh don't go there, I have reverse engineered many electronics devices in
my
9 years being an E.E. I know the cost of electronics devices quality of
PCB's and components & workmanship. None of the cell phone adapters would
cost over $5.00ea to have mass produced and that is a high estimate using
good parts with tolerances of 1-2% not 5 to 10% and for $300.00 I could
build 20 of them using US supply houses.

I have a friend from New Zealand who says that they "require" you to have a
cell phone interface wired through the audio panel. Anybody from NZ with
details?

Mike
MU-2


"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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Just in from the creator ...

Quote ...

There is no component in Flightcell with more than 1% tolerance.
There are in excess of 180 components on the PCB. The connectors cost

minimum $10 USD each and there are up to 4 of those. Add to this 5 digital

pots at $12 each and already you can see ...

AND ...

If he signs a NDA, we will send him all the drawings. If he can make it

cheaper than we can without any reduction in quality then we will send all

our production to him. How's that for challenge. This is a serious
offer!!!!

[END QUOTE]

So, is anyone going to take him up on the offer?


"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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You'd probably think differently if you knew what it cost to make it.


Ohh don't go there, I have reverse engineered many electronics devices in
my
9 years being an E.E. I know the cost of electronics devices quality of
PCB's and components & workmanship. None of the cell phone adapters would
cost over $5.00ea to have mass produced and that is a high estimate using
good parts with tolerances of 1-2% not 5 to 10% and for $300.00 I could
build 20 of them using US supply houses.

No foundation to that one.

"Cockpit Colin" wrote in message
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Just in from the creator ...

Quote ...

There is no component in Flightcell with more than 1% tolerance.
There are in excess of 180 components on the PCB.

Ok well they can talk but until they start giving manufacture part #'s and
if surface mount reel #'s and lot #'s I would say they are using the
cheapest parts their contract mfg can get their hands on.


The connectors cost minimum $10 USD each and there are up to 4 of those.
Add to this 5 digital

Yea Right!!!! Provide a Part #


pots at $12 each and already you can see ...

Still no part #'s to back up their claim


AND ...

If he signs a NDA, we will send him all the drawings. If he can make it

Sign a non disclosure agreement hahaha why would I want to do that I would
just buy one take it apart get all the part #'s values & redraw the pcb with
minor changes & improvements being sure not to infringe on their intlectual
property. Or use a schmetaic capture and redraw the PCB from a schematic
then make some changes thicken a trade here and there add a layer ect.. The
only real expensive thing would be the injection molds & molding to house
the device but could get that down to a reasonable price if production
quantity was sufficient.

Ohh and if I signed an NDA and found out they were using substandard parts I
could not say anything becuse of the NDA.


cheaper than we can without any reduction in quality then we will send all

our production to him.

I Humm tempting but NO, not with a NDA. Better yet why dont they try a few
places below and outsource it themselves I would do it but I require
customers to make schematics publicaly avaiable due to liability reasons.
The PCB mfg's below are some of the major players in the asian market today
some can do up to 24 layer poly-u boards and most have their own contract
mfg facilitys.

Onpress Printed Circuits Limited
http://www.onpress.com.hk

Three Sun Enterprise Co Ltd
http://www.three-sun.com

Shenzhen Shennan Circuits Co Ltd
http://www.shennancircuits.com

Xing Da Printed Circuit Board Manufacturer
http://www.zsxingda.com

Global Expert Technologies Ltd
http://www.getpwb.com

Evergreen PCB Fty Ltd
http://www.evergreenpcb.com

I Have about 100 More Contract MFG's & PCB MFG's on my list that I use.
These are a few top players in Asia. Please Fwd this to who ever tell them
to have fun but no MFG's will even touch their Gerber Files or Drill Data
with an NDA as they may have to subcontract the work.

How's that for challenge. This is a serious offer!!!!


Not to serious of an offer with a NDA how could it be outsourced with a NDA

[END QUOTE]

So, is anyone going to take him up on the offer?

As I said above No MFG's will even touch their Gerber Files or Drill Data
with an NDA as they may have to subcontract the work. I take that offer a as
insult and so would other's. You will see when dealing with Asian Corporate
Businessmen they expect to be treated with trust and respect it's a totally
different set of business ethics not like the U.S. market ware it needs to
be earned no wonder their production costs are high. Most contract mfg's
will not disclose your details anyway unless it kills someone.

NW_Pilot
PP-ASEL

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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If he signs a NDA, we will send him all the drawings. If he can make it

Sign a non disclosure agreement hahaha why would I want to do that I would
just buy one take it apart get all the part #'s values & redraw the pcb
with
minor changes & improvements being sure not to infringe on their
intlectual
property. Or use a schmetaic capture and redraw the PCB from a schematic
then make some changes thicken a trade here and there add a layer ect.

"part #'s values", "intlectual", "schmetaic", trade", "ect." (and of
course, a near-complete lack of punctuation)

Heh. Somehow, the thought of someone who writes like that "infringing on
intellectual property rights" is, um...funny.

Why are you so scared to sign an NDA? If you are seriously thinking of
competing with the guys, just have them put in writing what they already
told Colin: that they'll outsource production to you if you find their
claims to be false. If you are not seriously thinking of competing with the
guys, then so what if you sign an NDA?

Either way, there's no reason not to sign the NDA. Looks to me like what
you're really scared of is being proved wrong.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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If he signs a NDA, we will send him all the drawings. If he can make it

Sign a non disclosure agreement hahaha why would I want to do that I
would
just buy one take it apart get all the part #'s values & redraw the pcb
with
minor changes & improvements being sure not to infringe on their
intlectual
property. Or use a schmetaic capture and redraw the PCB from a
schematic
then make some changes thicken a trade here and there add a layer ect.

"part #'s values", "intlectual", "schmetaic", trade", "ect." (and of
course, a near-complete lack of punctuation)

Heh. Somehow, the thought of someone who writes like that "infringing on
intellectual property rights" is, um...funny.

Why are you so scared to sign an NDA? If you are seriously thinking of
competing with the guys, just have them put in writing what they already
told Colin: that they'll outsource production to you if you find their
claims to be false. If you are not seriously thinking of competing with
the
guys, then so what if you sign an NDA?

Either way, there's no reason not to sign the NDA. Looks to me like what
you're really scared of is being proved wrong.

Pete



Hey I admit my spelling and punctuation is bad WHO THE **** CARES it is
usenet !!!!!!!

Why would they want to have some one sign a NDA before giving them parts
info??? maybe to hide something!!!!! I am not scared of being proved wrong
that's why I responded asking for proof as in part #'s. I really have no
desire to broker out their product to small of an industry. We are trying to
justify their cost for their product's vs. other peoples products. You
proubaluly did not even care to read the entire thread just responded to
point out that my spelling and punctuation is bad.

Well this is Usenet and yes my spelling and punctuation is bad and only
loser ass-holes rub it in. Don't bother responding unless its in person!! I
am replacing the filter I had set to stop downloading your posts from the
server. I suggest you do the same with my posts unless you are so pathetic
you have to pick on people for their spelling and punctuation problems.

If you have that big of a problem be a man and deal with me in person and
don't hide behind your keyboard like a split tail, chicken ****,
fagot.........

please leave me alone and get some mental help!!!!!

"NW_PILOT" wrote in message


Hey I admit my spelling and punctuation is bad WHO THE **** CARES it
is usenet !!!!!!!

Actually, while occasional spelling/punctuation errors are easily
overlooked, constantly having to figure out where one logical thought ends
and the next one begins is very tiring and leads to people simply skipping
over posts by certain authors. You're not the first to display this habit,
but it's a fallacy to believe that you shouldn't pay attention to such
things just because "it is USENET".

Why would they want to have some one sign a NDA before giving them
parts info??? maybe to hide something!!!!!

Maybe because you've admitted to spending years reverse engineering
electronics? If they gave you the list of parts and you had a copy of their
product, wouldn't that make your job significantly easier? Also, part of
their offer was providing you with complete schematics of the product. You
should know the value of that intellectual property so why is it any
surprise they'd ask for an NDA before showing it to a professed reverse
engineer looking for a cheaper production?

We are trying to justify their cost for their product's vs.
other peoples products.

Actually, "we" are not justifying their cost. A) If the market will bear
it, more power to them. B) If their margins are too large, the market will
correct that by limiting their sales. C) If you can provide a similar
product for similar quality and lower cost, I'm sure the market would make
room for you.

Well this is Usenet and yes my spelling and punctuation is bad and
only loser ass-holes rub it in. Don't bother responding unless its in
person!! I am replacing the filter I had set to stop downloading your
posts from the server. I suggest you do the same with my posts unless
you are so pathetic you have to pick on people for their spelling and
punctuation problems.

If you have that big of a problem be a man and deal with me in person
and don't hide behind your keyboard like a split tail, chicken ****,
fagot.........

please leave me alone and get some mental help!!!!!

It's a bit ironic that your best spelling and punctuation show up in this
section of your post.

--
John T
http://tknowlogy.com/TknoFlyer
http://www.pocketgear.com/products_s...veloperid=4415
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"NW_PILOT" wrote in message
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If you have that big of a problem be a man and deal with me in person and
don't hide behind your keyboard like a split tail, chicken ****,
fagot.........

Says the person posting behind an assumed name, using a free email account,
badmouthing a company and product you know nothing about.

I'm easy to find. If you want to deal "in person", feel free. I've got
nothing to hide, and I'd welcome the opportunity to explain face to face why
it is you clearly aren't really interested in seeing whether the cost of the
product in question is reasonable or not.