Leaving the community

There aren't any. Allowing gays to marry would harm no one.

That said, from Jay you'll probably "find out" that you can't trust gay
people around children of the same sex. He has a very distorted view of
the consequences of homosexuality, and may very well believe that allowing
gays to marry might hurt someone.

Thanks, Pete, for filling in for me.

However, your distorted view of my point (from way back when we were
discussing the problems that come along with allowing a homosexual Boy Scout
leader to take boys on overnight camping trips) doesn't cast any light on
the question this gentleman is trying to answer.

CJ did a pretty good job of answering the question, however. It's not a
matter of denying homosexuals the right to marry -- it's a matter of
distorting the definition of "marriage" to fit your agenda.

"Marriage" is the union of a man and a woman. There are no laws (to my
knowledge) forbidding homosexuals from engaging in this practice.
Therefore, no discrimination exists.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

And according to NPR this morning they find Sarin in Falluja. Sounds like
a WMD to me.

Yes, I was stunned to hear this announced -- and on NPR, that most liberal
bastion of the Left! (And my favorite news source...)

Of course, the other networks barely mentioned it -- and there is nothing in
my local newspaper at all. Just as there is nothing about the incredibly
huge "Oil for Food" conspiracy scandal with the Russians and the French --
all of whom made billions working with Saddam.

News Flash!: The mainstream media -- members of whom overwhelmingly
identify themselves as "Democrat" -- only report what fits their world view.

Which is why Fox News is so incredibly popular right now.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Matt Barrow wrote:

The Greeks and Romans, had legends, but they were not based in
superstition.

They had religions and worshipped various Gods.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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No? Why is it important that society be peaceful or safe?

If you don't believe in trying to maximize human happiness, then there's
nothing important about making society peaceful and safe. Maybe you
don't
hold that belief.


If a belief in maximizing human happiness is not a religious belief, what
is
it?

Not a religious belief. You should not be trying to redefine religion,
which is based on a god or gods and is best acknowledged as founded on the
gullibility of the many and the calculations of the few.

After all, if we are nothing but sacks of chemicals, doomed in the end to
become nothing but waste heat, why should we care what happens to us or to
anything else? Nothing we do makes any difference at all if we eventually
just become random ergs scattered throughout the universe.

Not random, my moorman friend. You can leave footprints in the sands of
time, or be a lasting legacy like Charles Dickens or Henry Ford, sire
children who will in turn sire children, perhaps even contribute to the
fossil record --- like the missing link between Neanderthal and human
recently discovered, or the subhumanoid bones recently unearthed in
Indonesia.

Having read some of your scribblings, however, I am not encouraged that your
legacy will be anything more than dust.

"Allen" wrote in message
. com...
Our troops only get paid during war time?

I never said that.

"Bill Denton" wrote in message
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The military makes a living by ensuring that no other nation wishes to go
to
war against us, not by going to war. Don't you think every nation on earth
would come after us if we had no means of defending ourselves?

Irrelevant. I never said we don't need a military.

Poor analogy. In the "auto worker" scenario the worker voted for a
candidate
that might help him keep his job. In the "military" scenario the soldier
voted for a candidate who had demonstrated that he would use military
action
when necessary, and who might put him in a position where he would be
killed.

It's a fine analogy. An auto assembly plant can be a dangerous place. That
doesn't mean that the workers don't value their jobs.

"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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not for the children killed during the abortion.

"Children" who in large numbers were dying anyway (making abortion illegal
doesn't get rid of abortion), or who if born would have suffered their
entire short life in many cases.

Ignoring for the moment the huge chasm between people like you who claim
that it's a "child" the moment the egg is fertilized and a larger group of
people who don't feel that way, of course

In any case, since you're clearly "anti-choice", you should know as well as
anyone that no thread about abortion is going to get anywhere, not even on
an abortion newsgroup, nevermind a piloting one.

Pete

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:coMkd.327130$wV.310368@attbi_s54...
[...]
"Marriage" is the union of a man and a woman. There are no laws (to my
knowledge) forbidding homosexuals from engaging in this practice.
Therefore, no discrimination exists.

I'm not sure why you have your head stuck in the sand, but you do.

Your "definition" of marriage is hardly shared by everyone. It used to be
that the word "person" did not include black people. You can't go running
to the dictionary every time someone has a view you don't hold to. The fact
is that civil marriage grants numerous benefits to those married, and those
benefits are illegally being withheld from homosexuals.

There are plenty of people (perhaps including yourself) that say "so what?
I don't care whether homosexuals are treated equally". Some people even say
"so what? they chose to be homosexuals, if they want the benefits, they can
choose to be heterosexual" (maybe you say this too). But the latter is not
supported by scientific evidence, and neither is a particularly open-minded,
loving attitude.

"No discrimination exists"? Oh well...you're just proving my point about
how huge portions of the electorate simply believe whatever they want to
believe, regardless of the facts.

Pete

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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If a belief in maximizing human happiness is not a religious belief, what
is
it?

It's an innate desire, not a religious belief. It's basic biology. We come
pre-wired to desire happiness.

"Allen" wrote in message
. com...
Our troops only get paid during war time?



"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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I never said that.


I would say our military "makes it's living" by NOT going to war.