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"Trent Moorehead" wrote in message
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The caller said, "Well, poverty is the cause of crime."

I was and am amazed that someone could be that confused.

It's no more amazing than that someone could be so confused as to think that
the ONLY reason someone steals, in this country or anywhere, is "because
they have no morals -- period".

Theft and other crimes occur for a wide variety of reasons, even here in the
US. You'd have to be a blockhead to actually *condone* crime, but a person
who is as ignorant as to the reasons for it as Jay is has no hope of ever
contributing to reducing or eliminating crime.

There are, in fact, plenty of thefts that happen every day in this country
motivated strictly by survival.

Pete

Theft and other crimes occur for a wide variety of reasons, even here in
the US. You'd have to be a blockhead to actually *condone* crime, but a
person who is as ignorant as to the reasons for it as Jay is has no hope
of ever contributing to reducing or eliminating crime.

There are, in fact, plenty of thefts that happen every day in this country
motivated strictly by survival.

What a load of crap.

If you steal, you are scum. There is no justification for stealing, and
society should extend no forgiveness.

It's attitudes like yours that continue to screw up our world.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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What a load of crap.

I don't know who's load of crap you replied to, but it wasn't mine. Your
reply had nothing to do with what I actually wrote (other than the topic
being theft).

In other words, quit putting words in my mouth.

For someone who was so eager to get back to flying topics, you sure haven't
changed your habits much.

Pete

I'm sorry, Pete, my newsreader shows that you wrote:

Theft and other crimes occur for a wide variety of reasons, even here in
the US. You'd have to be a blockhead to actually *condone* crime, but a
person who is as ignorant as to the reasons for it as Jay is has no hope
of ever contributing to reducing or eliminating crime.

There are, in fact, plenty of thefts that happen every day in this country
motivated strictly by survival.

To which I replied:

What a load of crap.

To which YOU replied:

I don't know who's load of crap you replied to, but it wasn't mine. Your
reply had nothing to do with what I actually wrote (other than the topic
being theft).

I'm confused here -- did you NOT write that top paragraph?

If not, I apologize. (Although it's STILL a load of crap -- it's just not
yours! :-)
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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I'm confused here -- did you NOT write that top paragraph?

You replied to that message. But I never wrote anything like what you
accused me of writing.

If not, I apologize. (Although it's STILL a load of crap -- it's just not
yours! :-)

What I wrote is NOT a load of crap. What you wrote had nothing to do with
what I wrote, and put words into my mouth that I never said. I choose not
to address what you wrote in the interest of "helping" you stay true to your
claim that you want to chat about piloting, not politics. Suffice to say,
your response was inflammatory and irrelevant.

Pete

Jay,

If you steal, you are scum. There is no justification for stealing, and
society should extend no forgiveness.


That's exactly the simplified view of the world that makes certain big
countries in this world a problem.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

If you steal, you are scum. There is no justification for stealing, and
society should extend no forgiveness.


That's exactly the simplified view of the world that makes certain big
countries in this world a problem.

And your "there is no right or wrong" view of the world is exactly why it's
so screwed up.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

And your "there is no right or wrong" view of the world is exactly why it's
so screwed up.


And you, of course, are the one who knows and gets to decide just what is
"right" and what is "wrong"?

So, just for starters, who again owned that land you now live on before your
ancestors STOLE it from them? And during building that oh so great country,
whose labor did they STEAL by enslaving a whole race? Let me quote you again:

"If you steal, you are scum."

The world isn't simple. Anyone trying to make it so is dumb or trying to trick
you. And there is certainly no ultimate authority on what is right or wrong.
BTW, ironically your view would probably be shared by islamic fundamentalists.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

So, just for starters, who again owned that land you now live on before
your
ancestors STOLE it from them? And during building that oh so great
country,
whose labor did they STEAL by enslaving a whole race? Let me quote you
again:

That's crazy. By your definition of "stolen" there isn't a race of people
on this planet that "should" be where they are today.

And slave-owners WERE scum, BTW.

BTW, ironically your view would probably be shared by islamic
fundamentalists.

There will always be conflicting versions of "right" and "wrong."

But I'll give the Islamo-Fascists this much -- at least they believe in
*something*, unlike folks who simply throw up their hands and explain away
evil by denying that right and wrong exist.
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Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

That's crazy. By your definition of "stolen" there isn't a race of people
on this planet that "should" be where they are today.

There are some. Not all nations were founded on outright genocide. And the
notion isn't that crazy. Look up "humble" in a dictionary.

unlike folks who simply throw up their hands and explain away
evil by denying that right and wrong exist.


Which, just to take care of possibly hidden allegations, no one in this
thread did. You're thinking simplistic "right and wrong" again. The world is
more complex.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)