Leaving the community

If you steal, you are scum. There is no justification for stealing, and
society should extend no forgiveness.


That's exactly the simplified view of the world that makes certain big
countries in this world a problem.

And your "there is no right or wrong" view of the world is exactly why it's
so screwed up.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

And your "there is no right or wrong" view of the world is exactly why it's
so screwed up.


And you, of course, are the one who knows and gets to decide just what is
"right" and what is "wrong"?

So, just for starters, who again owned that land you now live on before your
ancestors STOLE it from them? And during building that oh so great country,
whose labor did they STEAL by enslaving a whole race? Let me quote you again:

"If you steal, you are scum."

The world isn't simple. Anyone trying to make it so is dumb or trying to trick
you. And there is certainly no ultimate authority on what is right or wrong.
BTW, ironically your view would probably be shared by islamic fundamentalists.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

So, just for starters, who again owned that land you now live on before
your
ancestors STOLE it from them? And during building that oh so great
country,
whose labor did they STEAL by enslaving a whole race? Let me quote you
again:

That's crazy. By your definition of "stolen" there isn't a race of people
on this planet that "should" be where they are today.

And slave-owners WERE scum, BTW.

BTW, ironically your view would probably be shared by islamic
fundamentalists.

There will always be conflicting versions of "right" and "wrong."

But I'll give the Islamo-Fascists this much -- at least they believe in
*something*, unlike folks who simply throw up their hands and explain away
evil by denying that right and wrong exist.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

That's crazy. By your definition of "stolen" there isn't a race of people
on this planet that "should" be where they are today.

There are some. Not all nations were founded on outright genocide. And the
notion isn't that crazy. Look up "humble" in a dictionary.

unlike folks who simply throw up their hands and explain away
evil by denying that right and wrong exist.


Which, just to take care of possibly hidden allegations, no one in this
thread did. You're thinking simplistic "right and wrong" again. The world is
more complex.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
news:Agomd.413413$D%.3751@attbi_s51...
So, just for starters, who again owned that land you now live on before
your
ancestors STOLE it from them? And during building that oh so great
country,
whose labor did they STEAL by enslaving a whole race? Let me quote you
again:

That's crazy. By your definition of "stolen" there isn't a race of people
on this planet that "should" be where they are today.

How do you steal something from someone who didn't own it in the first
place?


And slave-owners WERE scum, BTW.

Easily said with a hundred and some years of hindsight.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

Matt,

How do you steal something from someone who didn't own it in the first
place?


You're kidding, right?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Thomas Borchert" wrote in message
...
Matt,

How do you steal something from someone who didn't own it in the first
place?


You're kidding, right?

Nope. How do you steal something neither owned, nor possessed?

Matt,

How do you steal something neither owned, nor possessed?


You're claiming the land now called the US was not "owned or
possessed"? You claim Native Americans somehow "don't count" because
they didn't have any ownership contracts to show? Jeeze!


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

The world isn't simple. Anyone trying to make it so is dumb or trying to
trick
you. And there is certainly no ultimate authority on what is right or
wrong.
BTW, ironically your view would probably be shared by islamic
fundamentalists.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Thomas,

You are correct that the world isn't simple and you have to examine
mitigating circumstances when making a judgement. The point I was trying to
make is this: to say that poverty causes crime is a huge insult to poor
people who don't commit crimes.

Also, "poor" can be a relative term (poverty level notwithstanding). I'm
poor compared to lots of people, rich to others. If I wandered onto Bill
Gates' estate and stole something, would it be alright?

By the way, what does (EDDH) mean? Is it the airport in Hamburg?

-Trent
PP-ASEL

Trent,

to say that poverty causes crime is a huge insult to poor
people who don't commit crimes.

And you're right.


By the way, what does (EDDH) mean? Is it the airport in Hamburg?


Yes, it is.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)