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Old November 17th 04, 02:43 AM
G.R. Patterson III
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Peter Duniho wrote:

IMHO, it is generally poor technique to "fall" at all during a landing. One
exception is a short field landing where minimum airspeed is the highest
priority, even if it means a "firm" landing.


And, even with a short field landing, my aircraft is not stalled when flown
properly. I am likely to have a high enough descent rate for it to be a "firm"
landing; however, if I time the last burst of throttle correctly, even that
won't be the case.

George Patterson
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Old November 17th 04, 03:23 AM
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Peter Duniho wrote:

IMHO, it is generally poor technique to "fall" at all during a landing. One
exception is a short field landing where minimum airspeed is the highest
priority, even if it means a "firm" landing.



And, even with a short field landing, my aircraft is not stalled when flown
properly. I am likely to have a high enough descent rate for it to be a "firm"
landing; however, if I time the last burst of throttle correctly, even that
won't be the case.


When I want to wedge my 182 into a short space I fly the plane at about
45 mph indicated on very short final and land like a Navy pilot. No
real flare, just hold attitude and smash into the ground. Not enough
energy to bounce back in the air. Brakes semi-locked, pull the power,
stopped in 400 feet.
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Old November 17th 04, 04:46 AM
Jay Beckman
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"Newps" wrote in message
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G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Peter Duniho wrote:

IMHO, it is generally poor technique to "fall" at all during a landing.
One
exception is a short field landing where minimum airspeed is the highest
priority, even if it means a "firm" landing.



And, even with a short field landing, my aircraft is not stalled when
flown
properly. I am likely to have a high enough descent rate for it to be a
"firm"
landing; however, if I time the last burst of throttle correctly, even
that
won't be the case.


When I want to wedge my 182 into a short space I fly the plane at about 45
mph indicated on very short final and land like a Navy pilot. No real
flare, just hold attitude and smash into the ground. Not enough energy to
bounce back in the air. Brakes semi-locked, pull the power, stopped in
400 feet.


When I got my first taste of short field landings, I was too fast and too
flat which left me floating beyond the target.

I finally turned to my CFI and said..."Should I just be trying to catch a
"three wire?""

"EUREEKA!!!"

I pictured what an F/A18 looks like on short final and saw myself trapping
aboard the "USS Coolidge Muni" and nailed the next three just past the
runway end lights.

Used the same mental imagery on my checkride and planted that F-172 right on
the second runway centerline stripe...right where the DPE wanted it!

Jay Beckman
KCHD
PP-ASEL
Still nowhere to go but up!


 




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