TFRs and FSS briefers

"Dave Jacobowitz" wrote in message
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Okay, all this nonsense about preflight briefers not knowing about
TFRs -- well, it's not nonsense!

In the case you describe, the briefer properly informed you of the stadium
TFR. It's a blanket, nationwide TFR that's in effect *at all times*,
although it only restricts your flying during the specified events. FSS is
only responsible for knowing when a TFR is in effect--which, in this case,
is *always*. FSS and ATC have no responsibility to know when and where the
specified events take place--that's entirely up to you.

I agree it's unfair for this onus to be on the pilot. Still, we have fair
warning as to the TFR and our responsibility under it--so it's not a case of
FSS "not knowing about TFRs".

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
FSS is
only responsible for knowing when a TFR is in effect--which, in this case,
is *always*. FSS and ATC have no responsibility to know when and where the
specified events take place--that's entirely up to you.

I agree it's unfair for this onus to be on the pilot. Still, we have fair
warning as to the TFR and our responsibility under it--so it's not a case of
FSS "not knowing about TFRs".

No, it's beyond unfair, it's ridiculous. The idea that pilots are on
the hook to somehow obtain a schedule of all events (it's not just
regularly scheduled games) that can take place at a stadium is absurd.

Clearly, the briefer was in the letter of the law. She dutifully read
me the TFR that I knew about, but could not provide the actual
information I needed to plan my flight. For that, I can call up the
49ers schedule.

I am too young to be a chrochety old pilot, but it steams me. People
are violating these TFRs every day. And for every one of those
incursions, I bet you there are five pilots who are making ridiculous
deviations to avoid potential TFRs *all the time* because they fear
busting them.

Neither approach is good.

-- dave j