TFRs and FSS briefers

It's bad, but not that bad. You can penetrate the Crawford TFR with a
squawk from Waco Approach, which is routinely granted for the outer 20 mile
donut of the TFR. It's kind of like a Class B.

If you blunder through, you will get a cool formation flight and memorable
flare display by F-16s, and a slight delay while you talk to real Secret
Service guys at the Waco FBO. A timely-filed Nasa ASRS form entitles you to
an automatic penalty waiver, but only once every five years.

There really is no excuse for blundering through, as the Ft. Worth FSS
briefers are drilled to make sure they give you a prompt and accurate status
of the TFR even if you don't ask for it. I think there have been a lot of
enforcement resources wasted on citations and certificate actions against
casual GA flyers accidentally barging into the TFR. It's a new restriction,
covers a big volume of air near a major metro area, and is one that
frequently, but only sporadically, is in place. It's the perfect trap for
the recreational, weekend-type, VFR flyers, who are not with-it enough to
know to call FSS for an update or call Approach for squawk.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On 16 Nov 2004 19:25:15 -0800, (Dave
Jacobowitz) wrote in
: :


Then I come in and read AvWeb yesterday and I read what is practically
the very same story: http://tinyurl.com/6gacq

That was an interesting article. I especially found this quote
interesting:

By the way, it's a mandatory 30-day suspension if you bust a
presidential TFR. Most other TFR violations carry the same 30-day
suspension spelled out in the FAA Inspector's Handbook, FAA Order
2150.3A, Appendix 4; interestingly, it also recommends 30-90 day
suspensions for failure to obtain a preflight briefing.

So it appears that penetrating "All hat and no cattle's" enormous (in
excess of 3,000 square mile) Presidential TFR will result in mandatory
30-day grounding. Doesn't that endear the leader of the free world to
his subjects, er... fellow Americans? :-(

On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 15:36:57 GMT, "Dan Thompson" wrote
in : :

It's a new restriction, covers a big volume of air ...

In the case of the 30-mile radius Presidential TFR surrounding the
President's movements all around the country, it covers an area of
over 3,000 square miles. That would be in excess of enough airspace
to form an 18,000' high, one mile wide corridor from coast to coast!
It seems a bit excessive to put it euphemistically.

The Crawford, Texas TFR only affects 14 airports*, but training
activities are not approved when he's in town. :-(

* http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...02-3-149x.html

"Dan Thompson" wrote in message
om...
It's bad, but not that bad. You can penetrate the Crawford TFR with a
squawk from Waco Approach, which is routinely granted for the outer 20
mile
donut of the TFR. It's kind of like a Class B.

Well it's a bit worse than that. You need the squawk but you must also have
a flight plan on file. No VFR "cold-call" for a squawk, no pop-up IFR.

At least that the way it was a few months ago... I've been filing all my
flights IFR lately, partially for that reason...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

Yep. That's why the "kind of" like Class B description. File VFR on 122.3
or the cell on the way to the airport, then call Approach.

"John Clonts" wrote in message
...

"Dan Thompson" wrote in message
om...
It's bad, but not that bad. You can penetrate the Crawford TFR with a
squawk from Waco Approach, which is routinely granted for the outer 20
mile
donut of the TFR. It's kind of like a Class B.

Well it's a bit worse than that. You need the squawk but you must also
have
a flight plan on file. No VFR "cold-call" for a squawk, no pop-up IFR.

At least that the way it was a few months ago... I've been filing all my
flights IFR lately, partially for that reason...

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ