Leaving the community

mike regish wrote:

It would if we didn't have religion indoctrinating hatred and bigotry from
day 1.

Nice excuse, but lacks creativity. I'll give it a D+. There are
cultures that have virtually no organized religion, but engage in things
such as cannibalism. Is that one of the moral values that evolution
produces?


Matt

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:42:24 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:

mike regish wrote:

It would if we didn't have religion indoctrinating hatred and bigotry from
day 1.

Nice excuse, but lacks creativity. I'll give it a D+. There are
cultures that have virtually no organized religion, but engage in things
such as cannibalism. Is that one of the moral values that evolution
produces?


Matt

And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

Is that one of the moral values that religion produces?

wrote:
And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

Is that one of the moral values that religion produces?

Actually, it was closer to 11 million. The 6M number refers to
a single religious group. There were other "undesireable" groups
that were "removed" in the interest of Purity.

On 23 Nov 2004 06:22:50 -0700, Blanche
wrote:

wrote:
And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

Is that one of the moral values that religion produces?

Actually, it was closer to 11 million. The 6M number refers to
a single religious group. There were other "undesireable" groups
that were "removed" in the interest of Purity.



Well, look who's here.

Killfile not working?

wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 21:42:24 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:


mike regish wrote:


It would if we didn't have religion indoctrinating hatred and bigotry from
day 1.

Nice excuse, but lacks creativity. I'll give it a D+. There are
cultures that have virtually no organized religion, but engage in things
such as cannibalism. Is that one of the moral values that evolution
produces?


Matt


And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

I'm not sure what a christian culture is, but a Christian culture didn't
do that. It was a Christian culture that came to the defense of the Jews.


Is that one of the moral values that religion produces?

Not any religion that I'm aware of. That was the moral value of a
tyrant, pure and simple. It is really easy to understand if you drop
your prejudice against religion and look at the facts.


Matt

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:

And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

I'm not sure what a christian culture is, but a Christian culture didn't
do that. It was a Christian culture that came to the defense of the Jews.


You need to pick up a good history book and spend a little time with
it.

wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 09:16:34 -0500, Matt Whiting
wrote:


And there is a recent christian culture that gassed and burned 6
million human beings.

I'm not sure what a christian culture is, but a Christian culture didn't
do that. It was a Christian culture that came to the defense of the Jews.



You need to pick up a good history book and spend a little time with
it.

Hardly. Show me one shred of evidence that says Hitler was a bona fide
Christian. Show me one shred of evidence that says Christianity
supports genocide of Jews.


Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote:
Hardly. Show me one shred of evidence that says Hitler was a bona fide
Christian. Show me one shred of evidence that says Christianity
supports genocide of Jews.

The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews
and their religion. In his book, _On the Jews and their Lies_, Luther set
the standard for anti-semitism in Protestant Germany up until World War 2.
Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther, often quoting his
works and beliefs.

"He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or
else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away."

"But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and
forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name?
They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this
in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our
knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that
they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it
before God."

--Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)

Dan Luke wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

Hardly. Show me one shred of evidence that says Hitler was a bona fide
Christian. Show me one shred of evidence that says Christianity
supports genocide of Jews.


The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews
and their religion. In his book, _On the Jews and their Lies_, Luther set
the standard for anti-semitism in Protestant Germany up until World War 2.
Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther, often quoting his
works and beliefs.

"He who hears this name [God] from a Jew must inform the authorities, or
else throw sow dung at him when he sees him and chase him away."

"But what will happen even if we do burn down the Jews' synagogues and
forbid them publicly to praise God, to pray, to teach, to utter God's name?
They will still keep doing it in secret. If we know that they are doing this
in secret, it is the same as if they were doing it publicly. for our
knowledge of their secret doings and our toleration of them implies that
they are not secret after all and thus our conscience is encumbered with it
before God."

--Martin Luther (On the Jews and Their Lies)



OK, can you point out the passage that says you should kill Jews? I
read the above twice and just don't see it.

Matt

Just so we're straight here, I'm not talking Darwinian evolution. Modern
civilized man is beyond survival of the fittest since everybody survives
(well, almost) due to advances in medicine. The only genetic evolutionary
steps we really have left are through genetic engineering.

There are no modern cultures (and by modern, I mean technically advanced)
that practice cannibalism that I know of. Any aboriginal cultures (removed
from technical advances) are still evolving both in the Darwinian sense and
intellectually.

Did you indoctrinate your kids in religion from the time they were born or
did you wait until they were old enough to make their own choices? I'm
betting that if you have kids, you raised them in your religion, like all
the middle eastern religions do. Don't want to risk them forming their own
opinions of reality now, do you?

mike regish
(and that IS my real name)

BTW, I don't really give a rats ass what grade you give me.

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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mike regish wrote:

It would if we didn't have religion indoctrinating hatred and bigotry
from day 1.

Nice excuse, but lacks creativity. I'll give it a D+. There are cultures
that have virtually no organized religion, but engage in things such as
cannibalism. Is that one of the moral values that evolution produces?


Matt