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Matt Whiting wrote:
wrote:

On Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:32:55 GMT, "Howard Nelson"
wrote:


Athiest is a religion. Reading further into the stats on that
site they say 15% of the world's population have no religion and
that number is falling, which I find surprising.

Probably so. Religion and revolution always rise when existence
becomes too harsh to rationally accept.

I also am curious about your assertion that "atheism is a religion".

As far as I know, there are no atheistic altars, no stone buildings,no
holy books, no wailing walls, no ceremonies, no prayers, no hymns,
indeed, none of the things that are generally associated with
religion..


If one were to define religion as a "belief a theory which cannot
be proven by scientific inquiry (i.e.. a faith) then atheism would
qualify as a religion since you can no more prove the absence of
GOD then one can prove the existence of GOD.

My definition of a real, authentic religion is that it requires at
least a few people who are willing to kill others who don't believe as
they do. Christianity, Islam, Hindu, Sikh, even Buddhism, (I
believe), all qualify.


That is the dumbest definition I've ever heard.

Actually, it is the essence of a true believer..
"True Believers" *know* that they *are* right and
therefore anybody who has any dissenting view is a
non-believer and must to be killed because they are
obviously influenced by spirits/devil(s)/etc and
cannot be allowed to spread their contagion.

AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics
and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't
go around killing people who hold contrary views.

AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics
and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't
go around killing people who hold contrary views.

Didn't Stalin kill over 10 million people for holding views that were
contrary to his?

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:55:10 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:

AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics
and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't
go around killing people who hold contrary views.

Didn't Stalin kill over 10 million people for holding views that were
contrary to his?

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.


Well, murder is not the ONLY religious trait, anyway.

But there has been enough religious carnage throughout history that it
might be reasonably called a trait.

Could we call it a feature of the institution, perhaps? A hallmark?

wrote:

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 12:55:10 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
wrote:


AFAIK and history bears it out, atheists, agnostics
and people with non-fanatical religious beliefs don't
go around killing people who hold contrary views.

Didn't Stalin kill over 10 million people for holding views that were
contrary to his?

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.



Well, murder is not the ONLY religious trait, anyway.

It isn't a trait at all, so it can't be even ONLY a trait.


But there has been enough religious carnage throughout history that it
might be reasonably called a trait.

Only by one who has no reason.

Matt

Jay Honeck wrote:

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.

That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill
someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over
religion than anything else.

George Patterson

On Tue, 23 Nov 2004 14:19:02 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



Jay Honeck wrote:

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.

That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill
someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over
religion than anything else.

George Patterson


Or even those that do belong to their own faith, but not in quite the
"right" way.

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.

That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they
kill
someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed
over
religion than anything else.

You know I agree with you, but my point is that murder is not restricted to
religions or religious people.

There have been plenty of people killed by atheists and agnostics.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Not this one. In Texas, no less.

"Dena Schlosser, 35, was charged with capital murder Monday after calmly
telling a 911 operator that she had cut off the arms of 11-month old
Margaret. Police found Schlosser sitting in her living room, covered in
blood, a church hymn playing in the background."

See
http://www.comcast.net/News/DOMESTIC...e5519814b.html

Ahhh...sweet religion.

mike regish

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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There have been plenty of people killed by atheists and agnostics.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Not this one. In Texas, no less.

"Dena Schlosser, 35, was charged with capital murder Monday after calmly
telling a 911 operator that she had cut off the arms of 11-month old
Margaret. Police found Schlosser sitting in her living room, covered in
blood, a church hymn playing in the background."

Now, come on. I think it's safe to say that people of ALL religions and
beliefs would classify this lady as mentally ill.

Although some might call it "possessed"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

G.R. Patterson III wrote:


Jay Honeck wrote:

Murder is not generally considered a religious trait.


That's only because religious people don't regard it as murder if they kill
someone who doesn't belong to their faith. More people have been killed over
religion than anything else.

Where is your data? I think far more have been killed over greed than
religion. Unfortunately, my data is about as good as yours. :-)


Matt