Reporting an Aviation Accident

Is it an offence to land anywhere but the
nearest suitable airport?

As far as I'm aware it isn't an offense to crash anywhere other than the
nearest airport - which appears to be what you are describing.

Which authority must be notified?
Initially the US - that's where the planes crashed.
Where were the aircraft registered?


Once the
planes have landed, can they be moved from the place they stopped without
permission from the investigating authority?

Not unless they pose an immediate threat

Tony



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Tony Roberts
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VFR OTT
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Cessna 172H C-GICE

"tony roberts" wrote in message

Is it an offence to land anywhere but the
nearest suitable airport?

As far as I'm aware it isn't an offense to crash anywhere other than the
nearest airport - which appears to be what you are describing.

If you thought (thought?) that you could continue on would it be an offense
to land anywhere but the nearest suitable airport? I'm guessing that
arguing that you believed the plane to still be airworthy wouldn't fly, as
it were. So, there would be no excuse for landing anywhere but the closest
airport. That might result in an illegal entry vis a vis immigration
authorities but the emergency justifies it. (I know a case where a Canadian
student lost electrical power on a night solo and landed at a US airport.
He was given very little trouble by US authorities. Pre 9/11 though.)

Which authority must be notified?

Initially the US - that's where the planes crashed.

I would suspect. But is it an offence not to contact the TSB in Canada per
Canadian regulations? (AIP GEN 3)

Where were the aircraft registered?

I believe they're US based.


Once the
planes have landed, can they be moved from the place they stopped without
permission from the investigating authority?

Not unless they pose an immediate threat

My interpretation as well.

Thanks.

m

tony roberts wrote:



Once the
planes have landed, can they be moved from the place they stopped without
permission from the investigating authority?


Not unless they pose an immediate threat

Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.

"Newps"

tony roberts wrote:


Once the planes have landed, can they be moved from the place they
stopped without permission from the investigating authority?

Not unless they pose an immediate threat

Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.

Of course you will. In what country? This question is a routine exam item.
I assume that you're in the US (but Canadian regs are the same). You cannot
legally move an airplane involved in an accident (with few exceptions) until
authorized by the appropriate authority. Do some research:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr830_03.html

Score yourself:

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/ge.../Section14.htm

le moo

Happy Dog wrote:
"Newps"

tony roberts wrote:


Once the planes have landed, can they be moved from the place they
stopped without permission from the investigating authority?

Not unless they pose an immediate threat

Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.


Of course you will. In what country? This question is a routine exam item.
I assume that you're in the US (but Canadian regs are the same). You cannot
legally move an airplane involved in an accident (with few exceptions) until
authorized by the appropriate authority. Do some research:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr830_03.html

Exactly what I said. If I feel I need to move it I can move it.

"Newps"

Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.


Of course you will. In what country? This question is a routine exam
item. I assume that you're in the US (but Canadian regs are the same).
You cannot legally move an airplane involved in an accident (with few
exceptions) until authorized by the appropriate authority. Do some
research:

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr830_03.html

Exactly what I said. If I feel I need to move it I can move it.

Imbecile or troll. Pick one or both. Your statement is wholly incorrect.
Interesting nonsense is interesting. Yours isn't.

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

SAFETY BOARD

Subpart C--Preservation of Aircraft Wreckage, Mail, Cargo, and Records

Sec. 830.10 Preservation of aircraft wreckage, mail, cargo, and records.

(a) The operator of an aircraft involved in an accident or incident
for which notification must be given is responsible for preserving to
the extent possible any aircraft wreckage, cargo, and mail aboard the
aircraft, and all records, including all recording mediums of flight,
maintenance, and voice recorders, pertaining to the operation and
maintenance of the aircraft and to the airmen until the Board takes
custody thereof or a release is granted pursuant to Sec. 831.12(b) of
this chapter.
(b) Prior to the time the Board or its authorized representative
takes custody of aircraft wreckage, mail, or cargo, such wreckage, mail,
or cargo may not be disturbed or moved except to the extent necessary:
(1) To remove persons injured or trapped;
(2) To protect the wreckage from further damage; or
(3) To protect the public from injury.
(c) Where it is necessary to move aircraft wreckage, mail or cargo,
sketches, descriptive notes, and photographs shall be made, if possible,
of the original positions and condition of the wreckage and any
significant impact marks.
(d) The operator of an aircraft involved in an accident or incident
shall retain all records, reports, internal documents, and memoranda
dealing with the accident or incident, until authorized by the Board to
the contrary.

moo

Happy Dog wrote:


Exactly what I said. If I feel I need to move it I can move it.


Imbecile or troll. Pick one or both. Your statement is wholly incorrect.
Interesting nonsense is interesting. Yours isn't.

Drivel snipped.



You can keep saying the same thing if you want but it doesn't change the
fact that if I feel the need to move the wreckage to protect it or
myself I will do so.

"Newps" wrote in message
Happy Dog wrote:


Exactly what I said. If I feel I need to move it I can move it.


Imbecile or troll. Pick one or both. Your statement is wholly
incorrect. Interesting nonsense is interesting. Yours isn't.

Drivel snipped.
You can keep saying the same thing if you want but it doesn't change the
fact that if I feel the need to move the wreckage to protect it or myself
I will do so.

Bloviating idiot. You said "nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority". That's incorrect.
The "drivel" you snipped is from current NTSB Regulations.

http://www.access.gpo.gov/nara/cfr/w...cfr830_03.html

If you're a pilot, you have a knowledge and an attitude problem. Few
seasoned pilots remember every question on their first few exams. But when
an answer to one is posted for you, and you ignore and contradict it, that's
skirting imbecile territory. And, still, not an on-topic word about my
original post. So, who's the troll?

le moo

Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.

I'm Canadian and am following the Canadian regs, which state:

Except to rescue or remove survivors, extinguish a fire, or to prevent
danger to any person or property, nothing at the site should be touched
or removed . The preservation of any marks on the ground or objects
along the accident trail is also of critical importance.

Tony



--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

In article ,
Newps wrote:



Common misconception. It's my property and if I feel I need to move it
then I will move it. Also nowhere in any regs does it say an aircraft
cannot be moved or must be released by some authority.

That depends on where your mishap happens. On the airport I worked at
your airplane belonged to me until I released it.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

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