WAS: How safe is it, really?

Dave Stadt wrote:
The leading cause of fatal accidents is maneuvering flight at 30%. The
second leading cause is takeoff and climb at 18%. Third is weather related

Takeoff and climb is not a cause of accident.

Perhaps you mean that 18% occur during takeoff and climb,
which is something very different than cause.

Simplistically we could claim that takeoff causes 100% of
accidents, since if you hadn't taken off there would have
been no accident. This is like claiming getting out of bed
in the morning as the cause for 100% of traffic accidents
(and aviation and most other accidents for that matter).

Cheers CV

"CV" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
The leading cause of fatal accidents is maneuvering flight at 30%. The
second leading cause is takeoff and climb at 18%. Third is weather
related

Takeoff and climb is not a cause of accident.

Perhaps you mean that 18% occur during takeoff and climb,
which is something very different than cause.

Simplistically we could claim that takeoff causes 100% of
accidents, since if you hadn't taken off there would have
been no accident. This is like claiming getting out of bed
in the morning as the cause for 100% of traffic accidents
(and aviation and most other accidents for that matter).

Cheers CV

Go read the Nall report then come back once you have educated yourself. If
you don't believe you can get killed during the takeoff and climb portion of
flight you should stay far away from airports.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
om...
Go read the Nall report then come back once you have educated yourself.
If
you don't believe you can get killed during the takeoff and climb portion
of
flight you should stay far away from airports.

CV was simply pointing out that takeoffs and climbs are not CAUSES of
accidents. And they aren't.

I have no idea why you insist on claiming that they are, or why you insist
on berating someone that simply pointed out the fact that they are not. But
the fact remains that none of the things you described (maneuvering flight,
takeoff and climb, weather, etc.) are CAUSES of accidents.

They are certainly ways to describe categories of accidents (though,
inasmuch as they are not orthogonal, I've always felt the chosen categories
are a little odd...in what category does an accident that occurred during
maneuvering after takeoff in poor weather belong?), but they are NOT causes.

Pilot error and mechanical failure are examples of CAUSES, and they can
CAUSE an accident during any of the kinds of flight you mention.

Pete

Dave Stadt wrote:
Takeoff and climb is not a cause of accident.

Perhaps you mean that 18% occur during takeoff and climb,
which is something very different than cause.

Simplistically we could claim that takeoff causes 100% of
accidents, since if you hadn't taken off there would have
been no accident. This is like claiming getting out of bed
in the morning as the cause for 100% of traffic accidents
(and aviation and most other accidents for that matter).

Cheers CV


Go read the Nall report then come back once you have educated yourself. If
you don't believe you can get killed during the takeoff and climb portion of
flight you should stay far away from airports.

Go back to primary school, take some reading classes and come
back when you have educated yourself with basic reading skills.
If you are incapable of comprehending simple everyday sentences
you should stay away from newsgroups.

Regards CV

"CV" wrote in message
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Dave Stadt wrote:
Takeoff and climb is not a cause of accident.

Perhaps you mean that 18% occur during takeoff and climb,
which is something very different than cause.

Simplistically we could claim that takeoff causes 100% of
accidents, since if you hadn't taken off there would have
been no accident. This is like claiming getting out of bed
in the morning as the cause for 100% of traffic accidents
(and aviation and most other accidents for that matter).

Cheers CV


Go read the Nall report then come back once you have educated yourself.
If
you don't believe you can get killed during the takeoff and climb
portion of
flight you should stay far away from airports.

Go back to primary school, take some reading classes and come
back when you have educated yourself with basic reading skills.
If you are incapable of comprehending simple everyday sentences
you should stay away from newsgroups.

Regards CV

I will leave it at "Accident causes single engine fixed gear."