origins of cutting the shirt after solo

wrote:
*There have been many stories told about the practice of cutting the
shirt of the freshly soloed pilot. None of them made any sense to
me,
so, after once again reading of the 'tradition' on another list, I
asked the one person that I knew who had made a long career of
flying
and flight instructing, the chief instructor at my college aero
program
(the late and lamented Bates Aeronautical Foundation at Harvey Mudd
College), Iris Critchell. Iris' first lessons were in a Cub circa
1939,
was the first woman to complete the civil pilot training program at
USC, has some great first-person stories about piloting P-51
Mustangs
during WWII and was inducted into the flight instructor hall of fame
in
2000. She also still flies and instructs.


http://csmonitor.com/cgi-bin/durable...6/20/p17s1.htm

I quote Mrs. C's answer, with permission:

"This shirt tail cut off business.
Someone in the late 70's peak of flight school business (or early
80's)
thought that up and it caught on across the country simply as
something
to do to amuse the customer. Pin the shirt tail up in the flight
school office and every one signed it!

It had no place in the flight training of earlier years. It was not
started "back when". When I was in my first CPTP course, when the
USC
group who flew with the instructor had got their licenses, they knew
he
liked Johnny Walker Black label and got him a bottle! I never came
across that idea again. At most your instructor wrote something in
the
remarks section of your log book when you soloed. No, it was not a
regular custom in earlier years! ...

None of my contemporaries nor I had any shirt tails cut off when we
soloed or got licenses. That was before and during the Civil Pilot
Training Program 1938-39 and on. When I taught on the CPTP
program
in 41-42 no shirt tails were cut off around us.

It was too close to the years of the depression and people could not
afford to go around destroying people's perfectly good shirts! "

....and that is definitive as far as I am concerned! Evidence to the
contrary should be more than hearsay.
cheers,
-Greg
solo in '74, shirt remains intact *


I prefer either of these two explanations I found on the web courtesy
of http://whitts.alioth.net/Page5History.htm

Shirt Tails.
There has been a long tradition in aviation related to cutting off the
shirt tails of newly soloed student pilots. One story has it that the
practice began because of the student need to clean his goggles.

Pilots had scarves to use in keeping their goggles clean but the
student had to use a shirt tail. The cutting of the shirt tail was
giving the student the symbolic scarf of a pilot.

At one time trainers were two place tandem seat airplanes. The
instructor sat in the back seat. Some trainers had a speaking tube that
worked so that you could hear

It was noisy in the airplane and the instructors learned that the way
to get the students attention and direct him was to reach under the
panel and yank on a shirttail!

At student solo, the removal of the shirt tail, eliminated the way the
instructor used for directing the student. The student was now a pilot
and didn't need the jerking on a shirttail to fly.

Phil


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"mhquay" wrote in message
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Shirt Tails.
There has been a long tradition in aviation related to cutting off the
shirt tails of newly soloed student pilots. One story has it that the
practice began because of the student need to clean his goggles.

Pilots had scarves to use in keeping their goggles clean but the
student had to use a shirt tail. The cutting of the shirt tail was
giving the student the symbolic scarf of a pilot.

At one time trainers were two place tandem seat airplanes. The
instructor sat in the back seat. Some trainers had a speaking tube that
worked so that you could hear

It was noisy in the airplane and the instructors learned that the way
to get the students attention and direct him was to reach under the
panel and yank on a shirttail!

At student solo, the removal of the shirt tail, eliminated the way the
instructor used for directing the student. The student was now a pilot
and didn't need the jerking on a shirttail to fly.

Both of these stories are amusing, but unlikely. If there is an older origin
for the tradition, it is in medieval knights winning their spurs and
'shavetail' lieutenants in the army. If that evolved in the 1970's to
cutting off shirt tails, then so be it. I doubt if this is the first time
the tradition appeared. I have read that cutting off the shirt tail was
something that cavalry officers did on receiving their commission.

It was the custom at NAS Pensacola circa 1949 to cut off the tie of a
cadet who had soloed. He could proudly wear that severed tie for the
remainder of the day.

When that custom started, I don't know.

vince norris