Radio 'altercation' with ATC

Newps wrote:

No, the class D tower has no more authority in class E as he does in
class G.

Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Brien K. Meehan wrote:

Newps wrote:


No, the class D tower has no more authority in class E as he does in
class G.


Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?


Who says he DOES? Towers do not have authority outside the confines of
their airspace. Even Approach controls and centers do not have authority
outside their designated airspace.

Dave

Dave S wrote:
Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Who says he DOES?

91.123(b) does. If he's ATC, and he issues an instruction, this
regulation obliges you to comply. There's no indication here (or
anywhere that I'm aware of) that you have to be in "his airspace" in
order for his instruction to be authoritative.

Brien K. Meehan wrote:
Newps wrote:


No, the class D tower has no more authority in class E as he does in
class G.


Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Our rule book.

Newps wrote:
Brien K. Meehan wrote:
Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Our rule book.

I appreciate the hint, but could you be more specific?
Is this a rule book which places regulatory demands on pilots?

On 11 Dec 2004 22:57:18 -0800, "Brien K. Meehan"
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Newps wrote:
Brien K. Meehan wrote:
Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Our rule book.

I appreciate the hint, but could you be more specific?
Is this a rule book which places regulatory demands on pilots?

He's probably referring to FAA Order 7110.65:
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/ . However, he'll have to provide the
specifics.

Just go to chapter 7 of the .65 and you can see the rules for the
various airspaces.

Larry Dighera wrote:

On 11 Dec 2004 22:57:18 -0800, "Brien K. Meehan"
wrote in
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Newps wrote:

Brien K. Meehan wrote:

Who says he has no authority in class E or G airspace?

Our rule book.

I appreciate the hint, but could you be more specific?
Is this a rule book which places regulatory demands on pilots?


He's probably referring to FAA Order 7110.65:
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/ . However, he'll have to provide the
specifics.

Newps wrote:
Just go to chapter 7 of the .65 and you can see the rules for the
various airspaces.

There's nothing applicable there.

I still contend that a pilot must comply with instructions given to him
by any air traffic controller.

As a ridiculous example, if I'm south of Chicago and I contact SoCal
approach, and they tell me to follow a helicopter for landing at MIA, I
must comply.

91.123(b) supports this and is regulatory. Nothing else, including
7110.65 seems to specifically contradict this.

Newps wrote:
Just go to chapter 7 of the .65 and you can see the rules for the
various airspaces.

There's nothing applicable there.

I still contend that a pilot must comply with instructions given to him
by any air traffic controller.

As a ridiculous example, if I'm south of Chicago and I contact SoCal
approach, and they tell me to follow a helicopter for landing at MIA, I
must comply.

91.123(b) supports this and is regulatory. Nothing else, including
7110.65 seems to specifically contradict this.

Brien K. Meehan wrote:

Newps wrote:

Just go to chapter 7 of the .65 and you can see the rules for the
various airspaces.


There's nothing applicable there.

I still contend that a pilot must comply with instructions given to him
by any air traffic controller.

As a ridiculous example, if I'm south of Chicago and I contact SoCal
approach, and they tell me to follow a helicopter for landing at MIA, I
must comply.

91.123(b) supports this and is regulatory. Nothing else, including
7110.65 seems to specifically contradict this.


What Newps is tryin to tell you... is the controller doesnt have the
authority to give you instructions outside of his area/jurisdiction. The
"administrator of the FAA" is the authority behind 7110. Therefore he is
not "exercising air traffic control" in the areas outside of his
jurisdiction and authority.

In rebuttal to your ridiculous example, You would need to advise SoCal
approach that you will need to land for fuel prior to following the helo
all the way to Miami :P

Dave