drug/alcohol testing policy: effective?

"Peter Duniho" wrote


I'm not really concerned
about pot-heads flying, as long as they aren't under the influence while
flying.

I disagree that even "more-than-occasional drug use" is necessarily a
problem, as long as that drug use doesn't occur when it would interfere
with
a person's obligations.

Pete

I believe you are in one of two circumstances. 1), you are the user that
only uses while you are not flying, or 2), you have never been a user and
are totally clueless.

Using pot, in the vast majority of users, becomes more important than almost
anything. While you claim that use while not flying does no harm, I would
claim that many things are neglected. Some things like sleep, proper diet,
studying and setting up the flight plan, learning more about the art of
flight, and so on.

I do have an opinion which of these two camps you fall into.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message
"Peter Duniho" wrote

I'm not really concerned
about pot-heads flying, as long as they aren't under the influence while
flying.

I disagree that even "more-than-occasional drug use" is necessarily a
problem, as long as that drug use doesn't occur when it would interfere
with a person's obligations.

I believe you are in one of two circumstances. 1), you are the user that
only uses while you are not flying, or 2), you have never been a user and
are totally clueless.

Using pot, in the vast majority of users, becomes more important than
almost
anything.

You mispelled "crack". The ancient fallacy above has been out of style
since "Reefer Madness".

While you claim that use while not flying does no harm, I would
claim that many things are neglected. Some things like sleep, proper
diet,
studying and setting up the flight plan, learning more about the art of
flight, and so on.

And your claim is based on what? How about amphetamine use then. It would
enhance the things you think are problematic. So, what's the problem with
them? Is prescribed Methylphenidate (Ritalin) or Dextroamphetamine OK? OTC
wakeup pills? Then why not a line of coke?

I do have an opinion which of these two camps you fall into.

Of course you do. You have a keen eye for these things. Who else but a
moron or a pothead would oppose drug testing?

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message
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Of course you do. You have a keen eye for these things. Who else but a
moron or a pothead would oppose drug testing?


A moronic, pot-smoking troll?

Chip, ZTL

"Chip Jones"
"Happy Dog" wrote in message

Of course you do. You have a keen eye for these things. Who else but a
moron or a pothead would oppose drug testing?

A moronic, pot-smoking troll?

Sorry to have pushed you beyond the point where you can respond on-topic.
People so easily distracted by their emotions don't make good pilots or much
of anything that requires an ability to set aside emotions and focus.

moo

"Happy Dog" wrote in message news:9v7wd.18717$%

Using pot, in the vast majority of users, becomes more important than
almost anything.

You mispelled "crack".

Alternately, meth. More commonly, alcohol.

-c

"gatt" wrote in message
"Happy Dog"
Using pot, in the vast majority of users, becomes more important than
almost anything.

You mispelled "crack".

Alternately, meth. More commonly, alcohol.

Yeah. That was "Reefer Madness" crap. That erroneous POV hasn't been
popular since the sixties. I'm surprised that nobody's commented on
prescription or OTC stimulants.

m

"Happy Dog" wrote in message news:CYlwd.25292$%

Yeah. That was "Reefer Madness" crap. That erroneous POV hasn't been
popular since the sixties. I'm surprised that nobody's commented on
prescription or OTC stimulants.

Oh, no! It's a perfectly documented fact that pot makes sorority girls jump
out second-floor windows and causes people to drown.

Couple of stoners helped me pull a 12-year-old kid from a river one time
when his (drunk) dad and uncle had been goofing around and tossed him over a
jump-off cliff into the water. He hit his head on the way down. You could
see the kid's brains. The two guys who'd been smoking took him to the
hospital 'cause everybody else had been drinking. Ugly day, that was.

-c

"Morgans" wrote in message
...
[...]
I do have an opinion which of these two camps you fall into.

And you had been doing so well since changing your email address.

Oh well...guess we're back to "the good ol' days".

"Peter Duniho" wrote

Oh well...guess we're back to "the good ol' days".

I see you haven't changed, either.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in message news:Ni7wd.10243

Using pot, in the vast majority of users, becomes more important than
almost
anything.

That has been my experience with four people that I know out of, oh, maybe a
hundred pot smokers. (Let me elaborate: I'm a performing and recording
musician AND one of my parents was a regular pot smoker, so it comes with
the turf. I'm fine working with -most- pot smokers but refuse to deal with
drunks or anybody using anything stronger than pot. And the pot smokers I
know who've been as addicted as you describe are not the caliber of people
who fly planes anyhow.)

What I'm refuting is the "vast majority" part of your post. It CAN be
exactly as you describe in people who already have addictive tendencies. I
know a physicist and programmer who smoked pot daily and, unfortunately, is
an alcoholic. He quit smoking pot when he felt like doing so, but can't
shake the alcoholism despite the toll it has taken on him.

So, my direct experience has been exactly the opposite when it comes to pot,
but exactly as you describe when it comes to alcoholics. And meth users,
which is an epidemic here in the northwest, but, like I said, nobody trusts
'em.

-c