Class D Sucks

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Precisely.

And what makes Class D so dangerous is that



b) The controller THINKS he knows where everyone is.


The controller get his information from the pilots. Pilots are frequently
not where they THINK they are and provide bad information to the controller.

The Bob Collins (of WGN Radio) crash north of Chicago comes immediately to
mind...

IIRC, that was almost totally the result of bad position reporting.



"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Precisely.

And what makes Class D so dangerous is that



b) The controller THINKS he knows where everyone is.


The controller get his information from the pilots. Pilots are frequently
not where they THINK they are and provide bad information to the
controller.

"Steven P. McNicoll" roncachamp@ wrote
The controller get his information from the pilots. Pilots are frequently
not where they THINK they are and provide bad information to the
controller.

I do have to agree with you on this one Steve. I'd be rich if I'd had a
dollar for every time I've seen or heard a pilot exclaim they are at some
location, when in fact said location is any where from 1 to 5 miles in front
of them.

If you're not "directly over it" then you're not there yet!

PJ

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Here's to the duck who swam a lake and never lost a feather,
May sometime another year, we all be back together.
JJW
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"PJ Hunt" wrote in message
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I do have to agree with you on this one Steve. I'd be rich if I'd had a
dollar for every time I've seen or heard a pilot exclaim they are at some
location, when in fact said location is any where from 1 to 5 miles in
front
of them.

If you're not "directly over it" then you're not there yet!


I see this frequently, and it's often much more than five miles off.
Somebody will report five miles out just as they're crossing the ten mile
range mark, and it's not just the low end guys either.

I've often wondered why some pilots report their position at all when
contacting the tower. It's in Class C airspace, they were radar identified
at some point and never told radar contact lost or terminated. I know
exactly where they are when they call.

b) The controller THINKS he knows where everyone is.

The controller get his information from the pilots. Pilots are frequently
not where they THINK they are and provide bad information to the
controller.

Sorry, Steven -- I didn't mean to imply anything else.

That's exactly what I meant.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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The controller get his information from the pilots. Pilots are frequently
not where they THINK they are and provide bad information to the
controller.


Guilty as charged.
Long ago I was inbound to Dallas Redbird from the Surry VOR. I mixed my
position report with direction of flight. The controller was quick to see my
mistake and asked my position again, prompting me to realize it.
My original report would have placed me in the heart of DFWs hornets nest.
:-0

Marty