What is Southwest airlines Nuts ?

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"569" wrote in message
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That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them. It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is one of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"569" wrote in message
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That airline is pure hell. I used to travel 250,000 miles a year for
business, all domestic. I refused and still refuse to fly them. It's
no better then the Greyhound bus.


Well, you get what you pay for. That is the market that Southwest caters
to.

Southwest flies more passengers by far than any other airline and is one
of
a few actually making money. If other airlines want to survive it is the
Southwest model they will have to adopt.

Southwest is the most profitable, but although some other airlines have
tried to copy them, they have so far not been nearly as successful.

I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

"C J Campbell" wrote:
I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

??

What's the alternative for most of them? High-power bigwigs who can
justify charter or private jet travel are a small fraction of business
travelers.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell" wrote:
I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

??

What's the alternative for most of them? High-power bigwigs who can
justify charter or private jet travel are a small fraction of business
travelers.

The vast majority of corporate level flying is now done by middle level
managers. Corporate aviation is very competitive with the airlines when you
consider the cost of transporting a workgroup to and from a distant airport,
getting them through security, arranging their schedule around that of the
airline, and possibly putting them up for a day or two instead of having
them return right away.

What if, for example, Microsoft wants to send a team from Redmond to Intel
in Hillsboro? They could drive, which takes about six hours each way. They
could take Horizon, showing up two hours early for the flight, etc., again
taking about six hours each way. Or they could charter a King Air and have
everybody down there in an hour and back that afternoon for less than the
cost of the air fare. Hmmm. What to do? What to do?

C J Campbell wrote:

What if, for example, Microsoft wants to send a team from Redmond to Intel
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cost of the air fare. Hmmm. What to do? What to do?

Buy a Macintosh? :-P

Stefan

C J Campbell wrote:

What if, for example, Microsoft wants to send a team from Redmond to Intel
....
Hmmm. What to do? What to do?

Buy a Macintosh? :-P

Stefan

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The vast majority of corporate level flying is now done by middle level
managers. Corporate aviation is very competitive with the airlines when
you
consider the cost of transporting a workgroup to and from a distant
airport,
getting them through security, arranging their schedule around that of the
airline, and possibly putting them up for a day or two instead of having
them return right away.

I have four people working for me. None of them makes much over $150K a
year. But I have an aircraft (B36TC) and am contemplating getting another
(TurboProp) to run them around the midwest.

Here's why: When we go out to meet sub-xontractors, negotiate business,
inspection construction sites, insppect potential builinf sites, we can hit
two or three a day.

To cover that much territory I'd need to double my staff. That would cost
another $500K per year.

A B36TC and a turboprop are cheap by comparison.


--
Matt
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Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

"C J Campbell" wrote:
"C J Campbell" wrote:
I wonder if business travelers should bother with the airlines at all
anymore.

??

What's the alternative for most of them? High-power bigwigs who can
justify charter or private jet travel are a small fraction of business
travelers.

The vast majority of corporate level flying is now done by middle level
managers.

How do you know? (I withdraw my statement that high-power bigwigs who can
justify charter or private jet travel are a small fraction of business
travelers, since I based it on my own anecdotal observations). Even if this
is so, how frequently does the average MLM traveler fly?

Corporate aviation is very competitive with the airlines when you
consider the cost of transporting a workgroup

But how many business travelers are parts of workgroups? How many are single
travelers? It's true that GA is skimming off a lot of business class
travelers from the airlines, but how many are left that could economically go
GA? Your statement seemed to include them all.
--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

Dan Luke wrote:

Even if this
is so, how frequently does the average MLM traveler fly?

At my former employer, most of them flew somewhere about twice a year. Then
there's a person for whom I used to work who flies to Birmingham every week. At
that, it's cheaper than moving her there (if she'd even agree to move).

But how many business travelers are parts of workgroups? How many are single
travelers?

The vast majority of ours were single travelers. At times we might send as many
as three people down, but that was rare.

George Patterson
The desire for safety stands against every great and noble enterprise.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
Even if this
is so, how frequently does the average MLM traveler fly?

At my former employer, most of them flew somewhere about twice a year.
Then
there's a person for whom I used to work who flies to Birmingham every
week. At
that, it's cheaper than moving her there (if she'd even agree to
move).

But how many business travelers are parts of workgroups? How many
are single
travelers?

The vast majority of ours were single travelers. At times we might
send as many
as three people down, but that was rare.

That matches my experience when I worked for a large corporation: 3-5
flights/year for most middle managers.

At [Big Company] we peons took the cattle cars and the bigwigs took the
Gulfstreams and King Airs. The top brass used the corporate fleet to
haul their families around also; the planes were a perq.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM