Six-Place Composite?

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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They should be able to build and sell an A36 for 150,000 depending on
avionics. There really is not that much to an airplane. I may be missing
something like the cost of the insurance, but there just isn't that much
to a single engine plane.

Of course there is. Airplanes aren't produced in large enough quantities
to take advantage of modern automated mass-production techniques; they are
essentially hand built. And of course there are all the costs associated
with complying with regulatory requirements.

Just because the cost of materials is relatively low, that doesn't mean it
doesn't cost a lot to produce an airplane.

I think it highly unlikely that, given the large number of aircraft
manufacturers, that they are all colluding on the price. And that's the
only way to explain how prices are so high if your assertion about what
they *should* cost is correct.

In any case, I think you entirely misunderstood Dan's point. The
manufacturers he cites as positive examples aren't selling aircraft any
cheaper than the negative examples he gives.

Pete

To me a large qty would be 200-300. If they went out and just built that
qty. I believe and I could be wrong they could produce the plane for that
price.
I have been a machinist for 30 years building aircraft parts. I had my own
shop with 41 employees and 21 CNC machines.

Now lets go out on a limb, build 1000 planes at the special pricing. I think
there would be a lot of buyers for a new A36 @ 150000. I would probably be
one of them.

"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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To me a large qty would be 200-300. If they went out and just built that
qty. I believe and I could be wrong they could produce the plane for that
price.

You are wrong. Building 1000 Bonanzas wouldn't bring the price down to
$150K/each.

If you think it's so doable, not only building 1000 Bonanzas for less than
$150K each (since you want to make a profit too), and you think there are
1000 buyers for Bonanzas that cost only $150K, why not do it? I assure you,
I'll buy a $150K Bonanza from you if you do. I'll bet lots of other people
would too.

Remember, the hypothetical airplane needs to meet or exceed every aspect of
the 2005 A36.

I hate the "if it's such a good idea, why hasn't someone already done it"
argument, but in this case I think it fits.

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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To me a large qty would be 200-300. If they went out and just built that
qty. I believe and I could be wrong they could produce the plane for that
price.

You are wrong. Building 1000 Bonanzas wouldn't bring the price down to
$150K/each.

If you think it's so doable, not only building 1000 Bonanzas for less than
$150K each (since you want to make a profit too), and you think there are
1000 buyers for Bonanzas that cost only $150K, why not do it? I assure
you, I'll buy a $150K Bonanza from you if you do. I'll bet lots of other
people would too.

Remember, the hypothetical airplane needs to meet or exceed every aspect
of the 2005 A36.

I hate the "if it's such a good idea, why hasn't someone already done it"
argument, but in this case I think it fits.

Pete
Well talk to Ratheon for me and drum me up a little capital and I will do
it. I have some time on my hands. I bet we would make a 30% profit to boot.
I think I could build a Cherokee 180 for well under 100k depending on
avioncs.

"aluckyguess" wrote:

Well talk to Ratheon for me and drum me up a little capital and I will
do it. I have some time on my hands. I bet we would make a 30% profit
to boot.
I think I could build a Cherokee 180 for well under 100k depending on
avioncs.

Answer the question: if it's such a good idea, why hasn't someone
already done it? Or to put it another way, what do you know that the
entire light aircraft industry doesn't?
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Dan
C172RG at BFM

On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 18:24:35 -0600, Dan Luke wrote:

Answer the question: if it's such a good idea, why hasn't someone
already done it? Or to put it another way, what do you know that the
entire light aircraft industry doesn't?

and then you are also confronted with a very conservative market. come up
with a reasonable priced and well equipped plane, fuel efficient and with a
new design. the majority will let everybody else buy the plane first.

sounds familiar?

#m

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"aluckyguess" wrote in message
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Well talk to Ratheon for me and drum me up a little capital and I will do
it.

Drum up your own capital. No one's going to invest unless you can convince
them you have a decent business plan. I don't believe that you do, so I'd
be pretty hard-pressed to convince anyone else you do.

I have some time on my hands. I bet we would make a 30% profit to boot.
I think I could build a Cherokee 180 for well under 100k depending on
avioncs.

I doubt that too, even if you're talking cost, not retail price. But again,
feel free to try. Sure would be nice to see an airplane equivalent to a
Cherokee 180 for half the price of a new C172.

Pete