CFIs: THE IMPORTANCE OF LANGUAGE!

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:51:01 -0800, "gatt"
wrote:



When we were doing touch and goes during a complex checkout yesterday we had
an incident right after touchdown because of a blue heron in our immediate
path. The CFI said "to your detriment you already had the flaps at one
notch...", which confused me.

Later, he pulled the power on me approaching the pattern. During the
debrief he said "You see what happened? You forgot to do your third GUMPs
check but to your detriment you remembered to do it on final." To my
detriment I remembered to do one last GUMP check? I think he meant to my
CREDIT. (Unless there's some reason you wouldn't want a notch of flaps in
an Arrow II during short-field TnGs or wouldn't want to do the last "three
green, prop forward" before touchdown.) I might have gone home thinking he
was telling me it's incorrect to have a notch of flaps had it not been for
his later mistake.

My instrument instructor used to like to say, in reference to the DE, "one
of his pet peeves is to..." "One of his pet peeves is pattern B." If his
pet peeve is Pattern B, why are we spending so much time on it? "His pet
peeve is to keep you in a holding pattern." Apparently, she believes that
"pet peeve" means "things he likes to do." Entirely excusable, but another
example of language inaccuracy which might be potentially counterproductive.

It's important not to confuse your students. Using correct terminology and
language is important to that end. Please remain vigilante. ;

-c


Welkome to Americuh in the twenty-fihrst centry.

I work on computers. I have this problem every damn day. When I hear
other techs ask me to bring things down to their level, I cringe.
Would a heart surgeon ask a PA to simplify his explanation of blood
pressure's importance during a valve replacement? No.

There is a major bout of anti-intellectualism going on right now
that's the cause of the destruction of English.

-Proton, who got a D in English....

"What-chu readin' for?"

I think there is a bit of fear that when you explain something to people and
they sit there not having a clue as to what you are saying they loose their
credibility.
Therefore they must take you down a peg in order to equalize the exchange.
I have issue with people that say can't understand me _after_ I dumb it
down. Like I have some problem that I can't communicate to my fellow human
beings.

For instance, budget meeting to be had with the C.F.O to the President of
our Parent company.
He says to me, "tell me why we need this equipment _IN ENGLISH_ Okay?"
So I tell him , this database will allow us to track all of the material we
produce and attach any corresponding legal or accounting documents to it.
This way we can find a product and all the costs and billing information in
one search"

He says "I said in English"
The phone ring and he says into the phone "No I said the eltap and the IBIDA
aren't right. Look at the Delta."

I'm thinking "that was English?"
The difference is, and I toot my own horn here, is that I was genuinely
intrigued to know what the hell he was talking about. He , on the other
hand, needed spoon feeding.

The epilogue was that his "soundbites only" description of my budget items
got me 90% less money than I had asked for.

--

--
Dave A
Aging Student Pilot



"Proton" wrote in message
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On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 11:51:01 -0800, "gatt"
wrote:



When we were doing touch and goes during a complex checkout yesterday we
had
an incident right after touchdown because of a blue heron in our immediate
path. The CFI said "to your detriment you already had the flaps at one
notch...", which confused me.

Later, he pulled the power on me approaching the pattern. During the
debrief he said "You see what happened? You forgot to do your third GUMPs
check but to your detriment you remembered to do it on final." To my
detriment I remembered to do one last GUMP check? I think he meant to my
CREDIT. (Unless there's some reason you wouldn't want a notch of flaps in
an Arrow II during short-field TnGs or wouldn't want to do the last "three
green, prop forward" before touchdown.) I might have gone home thinking
he
was telling me it's incorrect to have a notch of flaps had it not been for
his later mistake.

My instrument instructor used to like to say, in reference to the DE,
"one
of his pet peeves is to..." "One of his pet peeves is pattern B." If
his
pet peeve is Pattern B, why are we spending so much time on it? "His pet
peeve is to keep you in a holding pattern." Apparently, she believes that
"pet peeve" means "things he likes to do." Entirely excusable, but
another
example of language inaccuracy which might be potentially
counterproductive.

It's important not to confuse your students. Using correct terminology
and
language is important to that end. Please remain vigilante. ;

-c


Welkome to Americuh in the twenty-fihrst centry.

I work on computers. I have this problem every damn day. When I hear
other techs ask me to bring things down to their level, I cringe.
Would a heart surgeon ask a PA to simplify his explanation of blood
pressure's importance during a valve replacement? No.

There is a major bout of anti-intellectualism going on right now
that's the cause of the destruction of English.

-Proton, who got a D in English....

"What-chu readin' for?"

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:17:18 GMT, "Dave A." wrote:

The epilogue was that his "soundbites only" description of my budget items
got me 90% less money than I had asked for.

I think things like that are why people don't complain when they get
old and at least can draw social security (maybe) and retire.

Perhaps I don't understand your statement? I'm in the older generation,
draw the max social security, and antsy to continue working. I do not
countenance sloppy work, or sloppy writing. In many cases its just
being lazy and I won't stand for that either. Makes me real unpopular
with some who think I'm just an old a$$hole with an uptight attitude.
THAT is the problem with too many these days in my opinion. I
continually ask what ever happened to the good old solid work ethic.
Why is it we see so many foreigners coming to the USA and excelling in
school? And many of them can't even speak English! In keeping with the
aviation theme may I add....when I taught pilots for All Nippon Airways
and Japan Airlines, they were insatiable in their search for more
information on the aircraft, techniques, regulations, and all the while
learning to speak English. If they did less than 98 on the writtens
they were ready to commit sepuku!
My own kids disappoint me when I ask what I think are simple questions
about the world today and they don't have a clue where, what, or why
unless its in their own personal area of interest. Seems like society
in general is just accepting this dumbing down of America. I refuse to
without squawking like hell and making my feelings known. Won't accept
any less than high standards of the pilots I choose to fly with either
anymore than I expect them to expect less than excellence from me.
So THERE!!! Hrrruuuummmmpppphhhhh
Ol Shy & Bashful

wrote in message
oups.com...

THAT is the problem with too many these days in my opinion. I
continually ask what ever happened to the good old solid work ethic.
Why is it we see so many foreigners coming to the USA and
excelling in school? And many of them can't even speak English!

Recently I came upon an assignment I was marking, where the
student wrote, "Third world countries have less luxuries". I
commented on that sentence to another class, and only my ESL
student knew what was wrong with the sentence. What's worse,
one of my colleagues, and English teacher, didn't notice anything
wrong with it either (!)

So THERE!!! Hrrruuuummmmpppphhhhh

"You can say that two times!" (Short Circuit)

--
Jeff Shirton jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below
and smite thee. - William Kershner
Challenge me (Theophilus) for a game of chess at Chessworld.net!

Either English construction is different in Canada or your sentence below
could use some smithing. I don't know what an "and English teacher" is.

Jim


"Jeff Shirton" wrote in message
...

What's worse,
one of my colleagues, and English teacher, didn't notice anything
wrong with it either.

"RST Engineering" wrote in message
...

Either English construction is different in Canada or your sentence below
could use some smithing. I don't know what an "and English teacher" is.

Do you even know what a "typo" is?

In contrast, perhaps you could explain "smithing", as the topic of
discussion has nothing to do with metal-working.

Have a nice day... g

Jim

--
Jeff Shirton jshirton at cogeco dot
ca

Keep thy airspeed up, less the earth come from below
and smite thee. - William Kershner
Challenge me (Theophilus) for a game of chess at Chessworld.net!

wrote:

I do not
countenance sloppy work, or sloppy writing. In many cases its just
being lazy and I won't stand for that either. Makes me real unpopular

Normally I wouldn't point out an error this minor, but considering the
nature of the topic and the fact that the same error occurs at least
twice in your post I thought it worthwhile. The contraction of "it is"
to "it's" requires an apostrophe. The string "its" indicates
posession, which from context above is not what you mean.
:
Jim Rosinski

On 30 Jan 2005 13:57:34 -0800, "jim rosinski"
wrote:

wrote:

I do not
countenance sloppy work, or sloppy writing. In many cases its just
being lazy and I won't stand for that either. Makes me real unpopular

Normally I wouldn't point out an error this minor, but considering the
nature of the topic and the fact that the same error occurs at least
twice in your post I thought it worthwhile. The contraction of "it is"
to "it's" requires an apostrophe. The string "its" indicates
posession, which from context above is not what you mean.
:
Jim Rosinski

I hesitate to point out a flaw for fear of falling victim to this
myself - but - in the above, you have managed to mangle the word
"possession".

Better luck next time.

Klein

Klein wrote:

I hesitate to point out a flaw for fear of falling victim to this
myself - but - in the above, you have managed to mangle the word
"possession".

Guilty as charged. But I think misspellings that don't confuse the
reader are less serious than grammar errors that do, like the "lose"
vs. "loose" thing, or "its" vs. "it's" where actual meaning is changed.

Better luck next time.
:
Is that level of snideness really appropriate here?

Jim Rosinski