Is Chris Thomas a Real Pilot?

He was qualified on F-102s which were being phased out at the time. I don't
think he had retainability to cross train.

In any event, that was a long time ago and we all suffered in that damn war
so
I don't understand why it's such a big part of kerry's campaign. If combat
alone made one qualified to be president the Tim McVeigh was just as
qualified.

Yes, I came back from Viet Nam in 1972 and got out of the Army in 1973.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as some
sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief.
The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record from
the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record which
they really don't want advertised.


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

On 26 Aug 2004 01:37:16 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote:

It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as some
sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief.
The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record from
the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record which
they really don't want advertised.

Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a
commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and
those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush,
and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was
aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way,
like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by
many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all
encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and
teaches you to lead.

It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go
to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as
everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and
partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt
about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself
admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those
who knew him.

As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most
divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders
who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry,
figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his
men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat
and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy.
Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty.

As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the
National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his
intent or not, he did not go.

Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead.
Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a
decisive leader?

Corky Scott

Corky Scott wrote:

On 26 Aug 2004 01:37:16 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote:

It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as some
sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief.
The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record from
the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record which
they really don't want advertised.

Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a
commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and
those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush,
and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was
aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way,
like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by
many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all
encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and
teaches you to lead.

It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go
to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as
everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and
partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt
about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself
admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those
who knew him.

As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most
divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders
who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry,
figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his
men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat
and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy.
Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty.

As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the
National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his
intent or not, he did not go.

Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead.
Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a
decisive leader?

Corky Scott


with only four months, kerry likely never learned where the lever was
to make the boat go faster,

I've seen bosses who stay 'four months' and the lowlies run the show for
him,,,,,,,,,,
--


Mark Smith
Tri-State Kite Sales http://www.trikite.com
1121 N Locust St
Mt Vernon, IN 47620
1-812-838-6351

From: Corky Scott
Date: 8/26/2004 7:53 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 26 Aug 2004 01:37:16 GMT, osite (RobertR237)
wrote:

It was an issue in Kerry's campaign because he wants to try and use it as
some
sort of leverage that he has better qualifications to be commander in chief.

The democrats have been pushing the issue of Bush's National Guard record
from
the very beginning. It also takes the heat off of Kerry's voting record
which
they really don't want advertised.

Fact: Kerry went to Vietnam and fought in combat. Fact: He was a
commander who commanded in combat. Regardless the medals issue and
those swift boat idiots who are funded by close Texan friends of Bush,
and who have direct connections to the Whitehouse whether Bush was
aware of it or not, he went and put himself and his men in harms way,
like all soldiers are supposed to, but sometimes don't. It is said by
many who fought in war that leading soldiers under fire is an all
encompassing leavening process, that it changes you forever and
teaches you to lead.

It's an issue because Bush, for whatever his reasons, chose not to go
to Vietnam, and that's a fact too. Yes he flew an F-102 but as
everyone who knew him and Bush himself admits, he mostly drank and
partied during those years. I would venture to say, there's no doubt
about this either, it's been extensively documented and Bush himself
admits to heavy drinking and partying during those years, as do those
who knew him.

As a young man Kerry - led men in deadly combat during the most
divisive conflict in American history. A conflict that our leaders
who took us there now admit was a HUGE mistake. Some, like Kerry,
figured this out while he was there. He not only had to command his
men, he also had to command his Swift Boat. Loose control of the boat
and you loose control of the situation and put your men in jeopardy.
Most readily admit that Swift Boat duty was tough and dangerous duty.

As a young man Bush - drank and partied while flying stateside for the
National Guard thus avoiding serving in combat. Whether it was his
intent or not, he did not go.

Those were the processes by which these two men learned to lead.
Which process do you think might have the best chance to shape a
decisive leader?

Corky Scott

Main Gott, you are comparing anvils to oranges. The leadership a man learns in
combat is how to lead in combat not how to run a corporation. Successful
executives use managment, not leadership. There is a difference.

As for the drinking and partying I can tell you have never been in the
military. I am willing to bet kerry did exactly that between missions. I know I
did when I was in Viet Nam in the Army.

Now then, why does kerry not talk about what he has done in his political life?
Kerry is always alternating between bashing Bush and bring up his Viet Nam
service. I want to hear from kerry what his plans are if by some miracle he
gets elected.

Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with homebuilt
aircraft?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

On 26 Aug 2004 18:57:27 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with homebuilt
aircraft?

Good point. I'd ask Bill Phillips, who originally posted the anti
Kerry story.

Whether Kerry drank in the military isn't the point, I only brought up
that situation regarding Bush because those who knew him in those days
thought he seemed over the top with not just drinking, but bragging
about it. It was basically what he did for evening's entertainment.
And yes, I realise he has turned to god in the most scary of ways and
no longer drinks, that we know of. The point was Kerry chose a
different path. He went to a very unpopular war and led men in combat
in a tough branch of the service. The men he led seem to feel he did
a good job of it.

As to Mr. Bush's education in the corporate world, the information I
keep seeing indicates he was not very sucessful at that.

Corky Scott

From: Corky Scott
Date: 8/26/2004 3:19 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 26 Aug 2004 18:57:27 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with homebuilt
aircraft?

Good point. I'd ask Bill Phillips, who originally posted the anti
Kerry story.

Whether Kerry drank in the military isn't the point, I only brought up
that situation regarding Bush because those who knew him in those days
thought he seemed over the top with not just drinking, but bragging
about it. It was basically what he did for evening's entertainment.
And yes, I realise he has turned to god in the most scary of ways and
no longer drinks, that we know of. The point was Kerry chose a
different path. He went to a very unpopular war and led men in combat
in a tough branch of the service. The men he led seem to feel he did
a good job of it.

As to Mr. Bush's education in the corporate world, the information I
keep seeing indicates he was not very sucessful at that.

Corky Scott

Take a look at Lincoln. He failed at almost everything he did before getting
elected president. He did most of his failing after his military service.

My point is what kerry and Bush did during the war has a lot less bearing on
qualifications as an executive than what the have done during the war. Kerry
needs to stop Bush bashing and start telling us what he has done that makes him
qualified for president. Whether you feel Bush is a good president or was a
good governor the fact remains he had experience as an executive, at the very
least his governorship qualifies, before becoming president.

I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political group.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"B2431" wrote

I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political
group.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Amen! If only more felt that way, and all resisted the urge to rebut.

Face it everyone, no opinions will be changed, here,

Yes, I know, I don't have to read it. I do, from force of habit, usually.
--
Jim in NC

"B2431" wrote

I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political
group.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Amen! If only more felt that way, and all resisted the urge to rebut.

Face it everyone, no opinions will be changed, here,

Yes, I know, I don't have to read it. I do, from force of habit, usually.
--
Jim in NC

I had to really laugh at your response Jim. You not only read it but could not
resist the urge to rebut as well.

Good Show! BFG


Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)

Like I said earlier,

B,BB,,BBB,,,,BBBB,,,,BUSH IS AN IDIOT.

Stan K.


"B2431" wrote in message
...
From: Corky Scott
Date: 8/26/2004 3:19 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On 26 Aug 2004 18:57:27 GMT, (B2431) wrote:

Now the most important question: what has any of this to do with
homebuilt
aircraft?

Good point. I'd ask Bill Phillips, who originally posted the anti
Kerry story.

Whether Kerry drank in the military isn't the point, I only brought up
that situation regarding Bush because those who knew him in those days
thought he seemed over the top with not just drinking, but bragging
about it. It was basically what he did for evening's entertainment.
And yes, I realise he has turned to god in the most scary of ways and
no longer drinks, that we know of. The point was Kerry chose a
different path. He went to a very unpopular war and led men in combat
in a tough branch of the service. The men he led seem to feel he did
a good job of it.

As to Mr. Bush's education in the corporate world, the information I
keep seeing indicates he was not very sucessful at that.

Corky Scott

Take a look at Lincoln. He failed at almost everything he did before
getting
elected president. He did most of his failing after his military service.

My point is what kerry and Bush did during the war has a lot less bearing
on
qualifications as an executive than what the have done during the war.
Kerry
needs to stop Bush bashing and start telling us what he has done that
makes him
qualified for president. Whether you feel Bush is a good president or was
a
good governor the fact remains he had experience as an executive, at the
very
least his governorship qualifies, before becoming president.

I will say no more about this in this NG since it is not a political
group.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Like I said earlier,

B,BB,,BBB,,,,BBBB,,,,BUSH IS AN IDIOT.

Stan K.


Well if Bush is an idiot and he is President,

You must be a .... ah hell, never mind we know what you are.

Bob Reed
www.kisbuild.r-a-reed-assoc.com (KIS Builders Site)
KIS Cruiser in progress...Slow but steady progress....

"Ladies and Gentlemen, take my advice,
pull down your pants and Slide on the Ice!"
(M.A.S.H. Sidney Freedman)