New traffic warning device

Loran,
Keep in mind that beside VFR you also get IFR.

If you get more than one threat around the competitve guy never stop
his flip-flop between threats. Very disturbing.

Andrew,
R5 user


(Loran) wrote in message om...
Correct me of I am wrong, but don't most aircraft in general aviation
squawk 1200? If 95% of aircraft around me are squawking 1200 how
would this help me?

Loran

(Thierry) wrote in message om...
(Loran) wrote in message . com...
I have talked to a handful of pilots who have taken order on the new
cockpit-tcas "trafficscope" made by SureCheck aviation who swear by
it. Has anyone else used it?

Hi,
You can find info on the Proxalert R5 at www.proxalert.com
Only device to simultaneously displays info of up to three threats
including code. Plenty of units already shipped in the US, Canada and
Europe.
Regards,
Terry

I think that would be the case with the atd300 device since it doesn't
show more than one traffic according to their user manual, but I have
not heard or read that complaint from the trafficscope users. I
skimmed through the trafficscope manual, and it says it allows for up
to 3 threats to be shown as well. The ryan tcad does the same thing
and allows multiple views.

But as far as displaying the code, I think that is useless information
because most aircraft are bound to be VFR, not IFR. Unless you are
flying in bad weather or around a flight training hub, you will
probably see a bunch of 1200 codes. I noticed that the R5 is from
France, so maybe they have not flown around the U.S. much to notice
this.

What matters is portability, accuracy of the altitude, range, and the
overall size in my opinion. So far I think from comparing manuals the
trafficscope has the corner on all of these. One thing that disturbed
me about the R5 is that to use it in my plane I would have to get an
extra adapter for my 28 Volt bus, whereas the trafficscope accepts the
internal batteries or up to 40 volts which is a very nice feature.

I have one on order, and will report more as I fly with it.


(Andrew) wrote in message . com...
Loran,
Keep in mind that beside VFR you also get IFR.

If you get more than one threat around the competitve guy never stop
his flip-flop between threats. Very disturbing.

Andrew,
R5 user


(Loran) wrote in message om...
Correct me of I am wrong, but don't most aircraft in general aviation
squawk 1200? If 95% of aircraft around me are squawking 1200 how
would this help me?

Loran

(Thierry) wrote in message om...
(Loran) wrote in message . com...
I have talked to a handful of pilots who have taken order on the new
cockpit-tcas "trafficscope" made by SureCheck aviation who swear by
it. Has anyone else used it?

Hi,
You can find info on the Proxalert R5 at www.proxalert.com
Only device to simultaneously displays info of up to three threats
including code. Plenty of units already shipped in the US, Canada and
Europe.
Regards,
Terry

Loran,

What matters is portability, accuracy of the altitude, range, and the
overall size in my opinion.


Uh, price?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Price is a factor, but so are the features. If you look at the ATD
sure it is low priced, but it also doesn't have near the features or
resolution as the other devices. You get what you pay for I think. If
you squawk any one of these codes, the ATD user handbook says it will
get confused and bounce back and forth between the target and "image"
target. http://www.airsport-corp.com/modecascii.txt I think it is
worth a couple hundred bucks extra to get better resolution and
accurate information, if you are going to spend that much anyway.


Thomas Borchert wrote in message ...
Loran,

What matters is portability, accuracy of the altitude, range, and the
overall size in my opinion.


Uh, price?

Loran,

If you look at the ATD
sure it is low priced, but it also doesn't have near the features or
resolution as the other devices.


Care to explain?

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

All you have to do is look at their user manuals on any of these
devices to see the ATD300 has hardly any features. I am just reading
through, side by side, the features.

http://perso.wanadoo.fr/proxalert/download/ProXalert%20R5%20-%20Product%20Brief%20(Nov%202003).PDF
http://www.monroyaero.com/ATD300Manual.pdf
http://surecheck.net/five/pdf/VRX_1-0-1_Full.pdf



These are the deficiencies I noticed from comparing the different
models. The ATD does have a bus voltage monitoring, but when you look
at all of the other factors, I think it comes up short.




The ATD does not have an altimeter, which leaves it to listen to any
nearby transponder for a reference altitude. Like I showed before
this could be problematic if you start squawking any of those codes.

The ATD requires you to have an aircraft with a working transponder
and be flying in adequate radar coverage at all times.

The ATD will not show any altitude outside of a 1000' window

The ATD does not take batteries

The ATD has a resolution of 1.0 NM increments only. Saying an aircraft
is less than 1 NM is poor resolution around an airport, where as the
others go from 1.0 down to 0.1 NM

The ATD does not have any volume control for in flight use

The ATD does not have any way to show how many other threats are
around you.

The ATD has no visual indication of alerting you

The ATD does not have any dataport for upgrading or interfacing

The ATD does not have an independent mode selection system for range
or altitude

The ATD audio interface has no mixing or mono-stereo selection

The ATD has no altitude drift alarm

The ATD has no selection of flight status, like ground, or flight

Check them out, they all have manuals online.




Thomas Borchert wrote in message ...
Loran,

If you look at the ATD
sure it is low priced, but it also doesn't have near the features or
resolution as the other devices.


Care to explain?

Loran,

ok, first, in the interest of full disclosure, I am involved in a pilot
shop selling the ATD-300 in Germany.

But I am seriously interested in this. What features exactly are we
talking about? Altitude display? It's there. Multiple targets? It's
there, albeit in alternating display mode. But here's my main point: If
you get an alert, what will you do? Will you keep your head inside the
cockpit and start evaluating all the stuff that some of the display
show, or will you do the smart thing and LOOK OUTSIDE?

So, which feature do you find missing that doesn't just look good on a
spec sheet but that you actually need in practice? Again, I am
seriously interested in your opinion.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

"Loran" wrote in message om...

But as far as displaying the code, I think that is useless information
because most aircraft are bound to be VFR, not IFR. Unless you are
flying in bad weather or around a flight training hub, you will
probably see a bunch of 1200 codes.

Besides, what use is the code even if everybody had a discrete code.