Power Off Touchdown Autorotation

"SelwayKid" wrote in message
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Biff Douglas wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:33:33 +0200, "Hennie Roets"
wrote:

Given a choice, I'd do full touch down autos but not in my helicopter.
Ever price new skids? I'll pass on doing full touch downs in a R-22.
In fact, I'll pass on doing anything in a R-22.

Biff I do not think you should write off the R22 that quick.

There are about 80% more new R22 sold than any other helicopter in the
world together. More of them are
used for training than any other heli. If you look at the hours flown
worldwide they fly the most as well.
I saw statistics a while ago on the internet about helicopter accidents
in
Australia and do you know who came
out on top. Guess?????
It might not be the most rugged helicopter in the world. I also do not
have
the highest inertia in the main
rotor blades but I can tell you if you can safely fly an R22 you will
not
have problems with any of the others.


Regards

Hennie

I agree with your comments re flying the R-22 safely. It demands
respect. I have flown them and agree that if you can fly the R-22 you
can pretty much fly anything. I just dont think that the way the R-22
is built I'd be doing full down autos in one if I owned it.
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Why not? Is the R-22 not safe for full down autos? Is your skill or
training level not up to it? Or is it just a matter of dollars? I
don't believe in crashing my car just because it has all the airbags
either but I've driven enough miles that I can avoid most of those
accidents. Same in helicopters and airplanes. Now just watch....I'll
trip over a damned tiedown cable and break my neck at the airport!!!
ggg

You shouldn't even joke about it Rocky:-)

A pal of mine ran a full weekend on the racetrack with his "pretty" quick
motorcycle (trackbike special 200mph+) and walking back to his car/trailer,
he tripped and landed on his elbow. It blew up like it'd been hit with a
sledgehammer. For a full year he could barely use his arm and even now he
still can't straighten it.

So that's two useless elbows he's got now:-)) (He did bust the other on his
bike a few years earlier)


Beav

Beav wrote:
"SelwayKid" wrote in message
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Biff Douglas wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:33:33 +0200, "Hennie Roets"
wrote:

Given a choice, I'd do full touch down autos but not in my
helicopter.
Ever price new skids? I'll pass on doing full touch downs in a
R-22.
In fact, I'll pass on doing anything in a R-22.

Biff I do not think you should write off the R22 that quick.

There are about 80% more new R22 sold than any other helicopter
in the
world together. More of them are
used for training than any other heli. If you look at the hours
flown
worldwide they fly the most as well.
I saw statistics a while ago on the internet about helicopter
accidents
in
Australia and do you know who came
out on top. Guess?????
It might not be the most rugged helicopter in the world. I also
do not
have
the highest inertia in the main
rotor blades but I can tell you if you can safely fly an R22 you
will
not
have problems with any of the others.


Regards

Hennie

I agree with your comments re flying the R-22 safely. It demands
respect. I have flown them and agree that if you can fly the R-22
you
can pretty much fly anything. I just dont think that the way the
R-22
is built I'd be doing full down autos in one if I owned it.
********************************
Why not? Is the R-22 not safe for full down autos? Is your skill or
training level not up to it? Or is it just a matter of dollars? I
don't believe in crashing my car just because it has all the
airbags
either but I've driven enough miles that I can avoid most of those
accidents. Same in helicopters and airplanes. Now just
watch....I'll
trip over a damned tiedown cable and break my neck at the
airport!!!
ggg

You shouldn't even joke about it Rocky:-)

Beav
Why not joke? Sure beats crying! I've been so beat up/busted
up/shot/stabbed and generally treated ugly that it doesn't matter
anymore! I've walked into wings, rotor blades, tail rotors,(mostly at
night) tripped over tie downs, slipped on ice and oil, and wondered why
I ever bothered to get into aviation?
Still, in at least 18 mayday situations, I've only really been injured
once in aircraft. Night time in a phyxed wing with an engine failure
over the pine swamps. Just another adventure...... BTW, shootings and
stabbings are for real.
Rocky

A pal of mine ran a full weekend on the racetrack with his "pretty"
quick
motorcycle (trackbike special 200mph+) and walking back to his
car/trailer,
he tripped and landed on his elbow. It blew up like it'd been hit
with a
sledgehammer. For a full year he could barely use his arm and even
now he
still can't straighten it.

So that's two useless elbows he's got now:-)) (He did bust the other
on his
bike a few years earlier)


Beav

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Beav wrote:
"SelwayKid" wrote in message
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Biff Douglas wrote in message
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On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:33:33 +0200, "Hennie Roets"
wrote:

Given a choice, I'd do full touch down autos but not in my
helicopter.
Ever price new skids? I'll pass on doing full touch downs in a
R-22.
In fact, I'll pass on doing anything in a R-22.

Biff I do not think you should write off the R22 that quick.

There are about 80% more new R22 sold than any other helicopter
in the
world together. More of them are
used for training than any other heli. If you look at the hours
flown
worldwide they fly the most as well.
I saw statistics a while ago on the internet about helicopter
accidents
in
Australia and do you know who came
out on top. Guess?????
It might not be the most rugged helicopter in the world. I also
do not
have
the highest inertia in the main
rotor blades but I can tell you if you can safely fly an R22 you
will
not
have problems with any of the others.


Regards

Hennie

I agree with your comments re flying the R-22 safely. It demands
respect. I have flown them and agree that if you can fly the R-22
you
can pretty much fly anything. I just dont think that the way the
R-22
is built I'd be doing full down autos in one if I owned it.
********************************
Why not? Is the R-22 not safe for full down autos? Is your skill or
training level not up to it? Or is it just a matter of dollars? I
don't believe in crashing my car just because it has all the
airbags
either but I've driven enough miles that I can avoid most of those
accidents. Same in helicopters and airplanes. Now just
watch....I'll
trip over a damned tiedown cable and break my neck at the
airport!!!
ggg

You shouldn't even joke about it Rocky:-)

Beav
Why not joke? Sure beats crying!

Well go one then, I did :-))

I've been so beat up/busted
up/shot/stabbed and generally treated ugly that it doesn't matter
anymore! I've walked into wings, rotor blades, tail rotors,(mostly at
night) tripped over tie downs, slipped on ice and oil, and wondered why
I ever bothered to get into aviation?

I think in your shoes I'd be wondering why I ever got out of BED!! :-)))

Still, in at least 18 mayday situations, I've only really been injured
once in aircraft.

I congratulate you Rockster, that's a bloody good record in anyone's book.

Night time in a phyxed wing with an engine failure
over the pine swamps. Just another adventure...... BTW, shootings and
stabbings are for real.

I didn't doubt it for a second.

I *WAS* going to say "Take care", but I have a feeling it'd fall on deaf
ears, so I'll just say "Keep it up" instead

And keep up with the histories, they make fascinating reading.



Beav

Beav
You guys always make me laugh with your wry sense of humor! For a while
my wife would walk in the door and ask me, "Well, what have you done
today to damage your beautiful body?"...(she has this illusion that I
am special) and it got to the laughable point she'd nearly do a strip
search checking for bloody areas. At least I have gotten over it for at
least the past 12 months or so. Hmmmm, perhaps I should go risk my neck
again..
On the helicopter side, there has been a lot of discussion about the
relative merits of different machines for touchdown autos over in
JustHelicopters forum. there are some pretty abrasive people there and
some who will jerk your chain just because, but if you can get past
that and learn how to navigate the posts, there is a plethora of deep
solid information to be gained.
Trying to think of the different helicopters I've done full down autos
in will include the Bell 47 series(lots of them), Hughes 269/300 (dates
me huh?), H-500 series, Hiller 12 series, Bell 206, UH-1,
R-22(yeehaww), Enstrom F28, probably some others that I can't think of
at the moment.
A technique we learned in the USMC while working down under was to just
simply roll inverted and autorotate for a rapid gain in altitude ; )
Merry Christmas y'all
Ol Shy & Bashful aka Rocky

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Beav
You guys always make me laugh with your wry sense of humor!

Born of necessity Rocky, it's ****ing down with rain and there's no food on
the table
For a while
my wife would walk in the door and ask me, "Well, what have you done
today to damage your beautiful body?"...(she has this illusion that I
am special)

Get her some new glasses Kid:-)

and it got to the laughable point she'd nearly do a strip
search checking for bloody areas.

You could also get her a part time job at the local jail.

At least I have gotten over it for at
least the past 12 months or so. Hmmmm, perhaps I should go risk my neck
again..

Well *I* bloody well would:-))

On the helicopter side, there has been a lot of discussion about the
relative merits of different machines for touchdown autos over in
JustHelicopters forum. there are some pretty abrasive people there and
some who will jerk your chain just because, but if you can get past
that and learn how to navigate the posts, there is a plethora of deep
solid information to be gained.

I can take chain jerking in my stride.

Trying to think of the different helicopters I've done full down autos
in will include the Bell 47 series(lots of them), Hughes 269/300 (dates
me huh?), H-500 series, Hiller 12 series, Bell 206, UH-1,
R-22(yeehaww), Enstrom F28, probably some others that I can't think of
at the moment.


How did the UH-1 compare to all the others? (apart from the R22)

I've not DONE a full down but I've been in numerous heli's when they have
been (Enstrom, Bell 47 with the stab bar removed, and the R22) and the
Enstrom was wonderful. Not quite so the R22.

A technique we learned in the USMC while working down under was to just
simply roll inverted and autorotate for a rapid gain in altitude ; )

Works everytime. :-))

Merry Christmas y'all

And the same to you and yours



Beav