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This sounds simillar to the Canadian story. Why can these guys not recover
from the spins if they are so high? "m alexander" wrote in message et... http://www.modbee.com/local/story/91...10080739c.html |
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![]() "Dude" wrote in message ... This sounds simillar to the Canadian story. Why can these guys not recover from the spins if they are so high? The Cirrus cannot recover from spins. Here is a quote from the SR22 manual: Spins The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft “departs controlled flight,” the CAPS must be deployed. While the stall characteristics of the SR22 make accidental entry into a spin extremely unlikely, it is possible. Spin entry can be avoided by using good airmanship: coordinated use of controls in turns, proper airspeed control following the recommendations of this Handbook, and never abusing the flight controls with accelerated inputs when close to the stall (see Stalls, Section 4). If, at the stall, the controls are misapplied and abused accelerated inputs are made to the elevator, rudder and/or ailerons, an abrupt wing drop may be felt and a spiral or spin may be entered. In some cases it may be difficult to determine if the aircraft has entered a spiral or the beginning of a spin. • WARNING • In all cases, if the aircraft enters an unusual attitude from which recovery is not expected before ground impact, immediate deployment of the CAPS is required. The minimum demonstrated altitude loss for a CAPS deployment from a one-turn spin is 920 feet. Activation at higher altitudes provides enhanced safety margins for parachute recoveries. Do not waste time and altitude trying to recover from a spiral/spin before activating CAPS. Inadvertent Spin Entry 1. CAPS .................................................. ........................... ...... Activate |
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![]() "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS must be deployed. Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has spun the hell out of that design with pleasing results. |
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In article YNq4d.240836$mD.16837@attbi_s02,
"C.D.Damron" wrote: "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS must be deployed. Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has spun the hell out of that design with pleasing results. That is apparently what cost Astronaut Gorden Fullerton his life, when he was testflying a Cirrus. |
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Orval Fairbairn wrote
That is apparently what cost Astronaut Gorden Fullerton his life, when he was testflying a Cirrus. That will come as a surprise to him. :-) You're thinking of Bob Overmyer, but he was killed in a VK-30, which was a completely different airplane, a kit put out by Cirrus before they certificated the SR series. Fullterton is still alive, BTW. Dave 'program' Hyde |
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In article , Dave Hyde says...
Fullterton is still alive, BTW. Boy I bet he's glad about that :-) Thanks for the clairifaction. Chuck ( the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated)S |
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In article ,
"Dave Hyde" wrote: Orval Fairbairn wrote That is apparently what cost Astronaut Gorden Fullerton his life, when he was testflying a Cirrus. That will come as a surprise to him. :-) You're thinking of Bob Overmyer, but he was killed in a VK-30, which was a completely different airplane, a kit put out by Cirrus before they certificated the SR series. Fullterton is still alive, BTW. Dave 'program' Hyde You are right! My bad! I am glad that GF is still with us. |
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![]() "C.D.Damron" wrote in message news:YNq4d.240836$mD.16837@attbi_s02... "C J Campbell" wrote in message ... The SR22 is not approved for spins, and has not been tested or certified for spin recovery characteristics. The only approved and demonstrated method of spin recovery is activation of the Cirrus Airframe Parachute System (See CAPS Deployment, this section). Because of this, if the aircraft "departs controlled flight," the CAPS must be deployed. Sounds like legal-speak to me. I'm am willing to bet that Cirrus has spun the hell out of that design with pleasing results. Actually, no pilot has ever reported recovering from a spin in a Cirrus. It is not for lack of trying. There are numerous reports of Cirrus aircraft crashing (or they would have crashed if CAPS had not been deployed) after the pilots entered a spin, however. |
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![]() Actually, no pilot has ever reported recovering from a spin in a Cirrus. Who would he report to? It is not for lack of trying. There are numerous reports of Cirrus aircraft crashing (or they would have crashed if CAPS had not been deployed) after the pilots entered a spin, however. I don't agree. What there have been is a few low altitude spin ins and a couple of crashes involving pilots not deploying the chute. However, there is no indication that they attempted to recover from (or even recognized they were involved in) a spin. Searching the NTSB for Cirrus: 1. Stall/spin immediately after takeoff (treetop level). SR20 2. Pilot deployed CAPS in IMC after insturments became unreliable SR22 3. Botched landing due to brake failure. SR22 4. Wire strike during simulated forced landing SR22 5. Low altitude stall due to evasive manouvering in the pattern. SR20 6. Crash from low altitude pass SR20 7. Wire strike. SR20 8. Spatial disorientation followed by a high speed impact with the ground (unlikely therefore to have been a spin). SR22 9. VFR-into-IMC CFIT SR20 10. Collision with deer SR20 11. CAPS deployed after aileron falls off. SR22 12. Mountainous terrain/Density Alt CFIT SR20 13. SPIN FROM 5000 FEET. SR22 14. Spatial disorientation and CAPS wouldn't deploy, collides with trees on emergency landing. SR22 15. Emergency landing due to failure to replace drain plug SR20 16. Forced landing due to fuel mismanagement. SR22 17. Botched landing SR22 18. VFR into IMC CFIT (mountainous) SR20 19. SR20 test crash (aileron jamming) 20. VK30 CG test results in spin. 21. VF30 engine fire forced landing Plus there are two more that don't have enough information to determine. However I suspect one was a botched illicit IFR approach. The other was a fatal in Spain. As far as I know ther ehave been FOUR Cirrus deployments (counting the most recent one) Of which only the last one as near as I can tell might be spin related. The others were PANIC button pulls from mechanical failures or disoriented pilots. So at the most we've had one SR20/SR22 crash from a spin that the pilot might have thought to try recovering from (either via CAPS deployment or control input) and one CAPS deployment to avert a spin. This doesn't agree with your statement. |
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![]() "Ron Natalie" wrote in message m... Actually, no pilot has ever reported recovering from a spin in a Cirrus. Who would he report to? It is not for lack of trying. There are numerous reports of Cirrus aircraft crashing (or they would have crashed if CAPS had not been deployed) after the pilots entered a spin, however. I don't agree. What there have been is a few low altitude spin ins and a couple of crashes involving pilots not deploying the chute. However, there is no indication that they attempted to recover from (or even recognized they were involved in) a spin. Searching the NTSB for Cirrus: 1. Stall/spin immediately after takeoff (treetop level). SR20 2. Pilot deployed CAPS in IMC after insturments became unreliable SR22 Cirrus' manuals treat spins and steep spirals the same. In this case, the airplane entered a steep spiral. 3. Botched landing due to brake failure. SR22 4. Wire strike during simulated forced landing SR22 5. Low altitude stall due to evasive manouvering in the pattern. SR20 I am not sure what your point about altitude is or why you think it proves I am wrong, but I am willing to listen to it. 6. Crash from low altitude pass SR20 7. Wire strike. SR20 8. Spatial disorientation followed by a high speed impact with the ground (unlikely therefore to have been a spin). SR22 No, but it would have been a steep spiral, which Cirrus seems to think is the same thing. 9. VFR-into-IMC CFIT SR20 10. Collision with deer SR20 11. CAPS deployed after aileron falls off. SR22 12. Mountainous terrain/Density Alt CFIT SR20 One of these two CFITs had the pilot reporting that he had entered a spin. Of course, the news reports may have been incorrect. 13. SPIN FROM 5000 FEET. SR22 14. Spatial disorientation and CAPS wouldn't deploy, collides with trees on emergency landing. SR22 15. Emergency landing due to failure to replace drain plug SR20 16. Forced landing due to fuel mismanagement. SR22 17. Botched landing SR22 18. VFR into IMC CFIT (mountainous) SR20 19. SR20 test crash (aileron jamming) 20. VK30 CG test results in spin. 21. VF30 engine fire forced landing Plus there are two more that don't have enough information to determine. However I suspect one was a botched illicit IFR approach. The other was a fatal in Spain. As far as I know ther ehave been FOUR Cirrus deployments (counting the most recent one) Of which only the last one as near as I can tell might be spin related. The others were PANIC button pulls from mechanical failures or disoriented pilots. So at the most we've had one SR20/SR22 crash from a spin that the pilot might have thought to try recovering from (either via CAPS deployment or control input) and one CAPS deployment to avert a spin. This doesn't agree with your statement. I count four spins. |
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