Start Anywhere Cylinder (SSA rules proposal)

John

I think the poll is very clear that the intent would be to allow the
most favorable exit point.

The rules as they are now allow a pilot to take his most favorable
exit point as his start and the poll did not mention 'last' exit (or
any other wierd modification).

Without the mention of the word 'last' the poll must then be taken as
a modification of current rules which gives the pilot his 'best'.

I can see how we think we are voting one thing but the next year the
rules are not what we voted on, I guess you need to be on the rules
committee to really know what people mean. If only you would let ALL
SSA members be eligible for the position.


Dale Kramer
K1






(John Cochrane) wrote in message . com...
A slight clarification to Gary's post: As I read it, the proposal in
the survey is NOT the same as the "area start" that the RC considered
and wisely rejected. The area start let you start from any point IN
the start circle. This one lets you start at any cylinder EXIT point.
The reason for the difference is exactly to separate people who have
started from the pre-start gaggle. (Well, at least as much as in
current rules. Often the prestart gaggle is outside the gate, so
people start and return to bump the gaggle.)

John Cochrane

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16.1 Would you prefer that both start time and distance be measured from
your cylinder exit point?

___ Yes ___ No

Dale Kramer wrote:

I think the poll is very clear that the intent would be to allow the
most favorable exit point.


The poll says no such thing. Question 16 very clearly says "exit point",
not "most favorable exit point" or "last exit point".


The rules as they are now allow a pilot to take his most favorable
exit point as his start and the poll did not mention 'last' exit (or
any other wierd modification).

Without the mention of the word 'last' the poll must then be taken as
a modification of current rules which gives the pilot his 'best'.


Question 16 is intended to ask about distance measurement on the first
leg, and I chose the precise wording very deliberately. The issue of
"best" versus "last" exit is a separate and complex issue, and one that
applies to any gps start gate design.


I can see how we think we are voting one thing but the next year the
rules are not what we voted on


The Pilot Opinion Poll is NOT a referendum wherein the exact text of a
proposed rule is presented, and majority approval automatically enacts
it as law.

The Pilot Opinion Poll is precisely what the name implies: an opinion
poll. It is one among many avenues by which SSA competition pilots may
communicate their opinions on rules issues to the SSA Rules Committee.
The Committee considers the poll results, along with many other factors,
when proposing contest rules changes to the SSA Board of Directors. The
Board retains final authority over SSA contest rules, and has
occasionally rejected or amended the rule changes proposed by the Rules
Committee.

Gary Ittner P7
SSA Contest Rules Committee


16.1 Would you prefer that both start time and distance be measured from
your cylinder exit point?

___ Yes ___ No

My point is simply that poll questions seem to be written on too
general a basis.

Intentionally or not, the committee has asked a question that can't be
answered without other (perhaps more controversial aspects) questions
brought forward.

I understand that the results of the poll do not mean we have changed
a rule.

I believe the committee does use the results to justify rule changes
if and when they agree with what the committee finally decides.

If, next year, we have a rule that allows 'last exit' distance
measurement in the start cylinder, I for one hope never to hear that
the members have given their opinion on the rule.

Dale Kramer
K1


Gary Ittner wrote in message ...
Dale Kramer wrote:

I think the poll is very clear that the intent would be to allow the
most favorable exit point.


The poll says no such thing. Question 16 very clearly says "exit point",
not "most favorable exit point" or "last exit point".


The rules as they are now allow a pilot to take his most favorable
exit point as his start and the poll did not mention 'last' exit (or
any other wierd modification).

Without the mention of the word 'last' the poll must then be taken as
a modification of current rules which gives the pilot his 'best'.


Question 16 is intended to ask about distance measurement on the first
leg, and I chose the precise wording very deliberately. The issue of
"best" versus "last" exit is a separate and complex issue, and one that
applies to any gps start gate design.


I can see how we think we are voting one thing but the next year the
rules are not what we voted on


The Pilot Opinion Poll is NOT a referendum wherein the exact text of a
proposed rule is presented, and majority approval automatically enacts
it as law.

The Pilot Opinion Poll is precisely what the name implies: an opinion
poll. It is one among many avenues by which SSA competition pilots may
communicate their opinions on rules issues to the SSA Rules Committee.
The Committee considers the poll results, along with many other factors,
when proposing contest rules changes to the SSA Board of Directors. The
Board retains final authority over SSA contest rules, and has
occasionally rejected or amended the rule changes proposed by the Rules
Committee.

Gary Ittner P7
SSA Contest Rules Committee


16.1 Would you prefer that both start time and distance be measured from
your cylinder exit point?

___ Yes ___ No