Juan Jiminez is a liar and a fraud (was: Zoom fables on ANN

In article , JDKAHN says...

Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not
remember the precise dates.

So much for that cacameme story.

Compared to your whole case based on the old lady Democrat?

That's all guys like jaun and zoom need ,just a glimmer and it trumps all other
evidence.
So let me get this straight... all of the people involved with Bush in the
Guard, his senior officers and comrades, all of which had/have good things
to say ON THE RECORD, are liars, and the 80% of Kerry's Swiftvet comrades,
who say he is unfit and hate his guts, are also liars, but the old lady
Democrat that typed stuff for Killian, who recalls Killian's thoughts and
opinions about Bush which are contrary to the written record, trumps all
those people.... I see. I'm stumped. I give up. Such powerful logic
and insight is too much for me. You are a master of lost causes.

He's had lots of practice defending zoom ...another example of jaun logic and
insight.Now it's 3 lost causes he's defended ...zoom,BD and now this. It's no
wonder he's trying to be a reporter.

And most people would not resent him serving
stateside any more than they resent active Air Force pilots who served out
their time in NORAD. Surely you don't think all pilots who served in NORAD
instead of Vietnam are shirkers do you????

In these peoples minds no other service counts unless it's kerry's.Every sin is
forgiven unless it's a conservative or Republican and everyone is a dummy
unless you vote democrat.


Anyway, even if we accept your case that he wasn't in Alabama, nobody really
cares whether Bush appeared for some drills or not in the waning days of the
war when the air force and Guard were trying to unload a glut of pilots
anyway. I mean, lets compare... during this time your boy Kerry was busy
being a traitor meeting secretly with VC reps as a commssioned officer of
the Naval Reserve then coming back to lobby for their cause, something that
you don't dispute (you can't really, it's the documented truth), and that
was infintely more despicable than not having proof of attending some
completely redundant drills in '72 in Alabama.

That's where I find kerry most repulsive,his trips to Paris while Americans were
still in the Hanoi Hilton and on the ground in Nam. He could have protested the
war and bitched about the Gov'ment but his description of our soldiers while
they were still afield is treason in my book.


How can you possibly support a candidate who was doing these things? Surely
you don't think the winter soldier smear, being a lobbyist for the North
Vietnamese at home, being a prop for the North to use against POWs, etc.,
was the right thing to do? He has never disavowed these things, never
apologized for them. For god's sake even Jane Fonda apologized to vets!!!!

Best as I can tell America has 3 traitors Benedict Arnold,Jane Fonda and John
Kerry. Klinton might still make the list after his total history is out.


In any case, I'm delighted that you accept the fact that Bush was a fighter
pilot and flew all those hours, and as a matter of fact accumulated over
three times the minimum requirement of Guard service points over 6 years,
including the minimum 50 point requirement in each of the last two years
when they no longer needed pilots anyway. Excellent. And he does have an
honorable discharge so he must have got the 50 points for his last year
somehow. Most lefties like M Moore simply claim he signed up and
disappeared at the start. This is progress.

Have you heard that the reason that kerry won't sign to release "all" his
records is that he just got his honorable discharge during the Klinton years?
I've been trying to find more data to see if this is true or an urban legend.

This has been fun man. Very simulating.

Yours and jauns dialog was an interesting study of the difference between a
logic and reasoned approach (yours) and the illogical,fragmented ,name calling
and chest thumping of the left (jaun).

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message
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In article , JDKAHN says...

Copeland, 65, remembers meeting Bush on two occasions. He does not
remember the precise dates.

So much for that cacameme story.

Compared to your whole case based on the old lady Democrat?

That's all guys like jaun and zoom need ,just a glimmer and it trumps all
other
evidence.
So let me get this straight... all of the people involved with Bush in the
Guard, his senior officers and comrades, all of which had/have good things
to say ON THE RECORD, are liars, and the 80% of Kerry's Swiftvet comrades,
who say he is unfit and hate his guts, are also liars, but the old lady
Democrat that typed stuff for Killian, who recalls Killian's thoughts and
opinions about Bush which are contrary to the written record, trumps all
those people.... I see. I'm stumped. I give up. Such powerful logic
and insight is too much for me. You are a master of lost causes.

He's had lots of practice defending zoom ...another example of jaun logic
and
insight.Now it's 3 lost causes he's defended ...zoom,BD and now this. It's
no
wonder he's trying to be a reporter.

And most people would not resent him serving
stateside any more than they resent active Air Force pilots who served out
their time in NORAD. Surely you don't think all pilots who served in
NORAD
instead of Vietnam are shirkers do you????

In these peoples minds no other service counts unless it's kerry's.Every
sin is
forgiven unless it's a conservative or Republican and everyone is a dummy
unless you vote democrat.


Anyway, even if we accept your case that he wasn't in Alabama, nobody
really
cares whether Bush appeared for some drills or not in the waning days of
the
war when the air force and Guard were trying to unload a glut of pilots
anyway. I mean, lets compare... during this time your boy Kerry was busy
being a traitor meeting secretly with VC reps as a commssioned officer of
the Naval Reserve then coming back to lobby for their cause, something
that
you don't dispute (you can't really, it's the documented truth), and that
was infintely more despicable than not having proof of attending some
completely redundant drills in '72 in Alabama.

That's where I find kerry most repulsive,his trips to Paris while
Americans were
still in the Hanoi Hilton and on the ground in Nam. He could have
protested the
war and bitched about the Gov'ment but his description of our soldiers
while
they were still afield is treason in my book.


How can you possibly support a candidate who was doing these things?
Surely
you don't think the winter soldier smear, being a lobbyist for the North
Vietnamese at home, being a prop for the North to use against POWs, etc.,
was the right thing to do? He has never disavowed these things, never
apologized for them. For god's sake even Jane Fonda apologized to
vets!!!!

Best as I can tell America has 3 traitors Benedict Arnold,Jane Fonda and
John
Kerry. Klinton might still make the list after his total history is out.


In any case, I'm delighted that you accept the fact that Bush was a
fighter
pilot and flew all those hours, and as a matter of fact accumulated over
three times the minimum requirement of Guard service points over 6 years,
including the minimum 50 point requirement in each of the last two years
when they no longer needed pilots anyway. Excellent. And he does have
an
honorable discharge so he must have got the 50 points for his last year
somehow. Most lefties like M Moore simply claim he signed up and
disappeared at the start. This is progress.

Have you heard that the reason that kerry won't sign to release "all" his
records is that he just got his honorable discharge during the Klinton
years?
I've been trying to find more data to see if this is true or an urban
legend.

This has been fun man. Very simulating.

Yours and jauns dialog was an interesting study of the difference between
a
logic and reasoned approach (yours) and the illogical,fragmented ,name
calling
and chest thumping of the left (jaun).

See ya

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

Hi Chuck

It's been illuminating hasn't it. It is interesting that he does nothing to
rebut Kerry's traitorous behaviour, not even making a lame effort to excuse
it. Because he agrees with it and supports it, but can't really address it
because he knows he'll look even more like a moonbat. Instead he has to
focus on whether Bush showed up in Alabama in 1972 to sit around an airbase
one weekend a month, which no rational person could possibly give a rats ass
about. No doubt he is a Noam Chomsky deciple (didn't Chomsky or somebody
using his name used to post on this NG?). He almost certainly thinks, like
Noam Chomsky, that Pol Pot was not such a bad guy and if all those
Cambodians were murdered (hey maybe Kerry was there for that too!!) in
creating a new society starting from year 0, well, they deserved it.

It's amazing to think about it...they support and idolize a political creed
that is responsible for more death and misery than any other in the history
of mankind and think they are the righteous ones!

John