glider/airplane collision

NTSB preliminary report is now released at
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X00028&key=2

or you can check Arizona Soaring Association's web site at
www.asa-soaring.org

Mike

ASW-20 WA
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"Sandy McAusland" wrote in message
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I heard a report of a collision between a glider and a power plane
somewhere in California sometime in December 2003. Does anyone have
any info on this ??

I don't mean to be unkind here or diminish the tragic event, but who
finishes a loop in a glider at 600' AGL?
Or, unless in an airshow, any other kind of aircraft?
Just wondering.

Allan

"Michael Stringfellow" wrote in message
news:_GdNb.3102$zP6.464@okepread02...
NTSB preliminary report is now released at
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...08X00028&key=2

or you can check Arizona Soaring Association's web site at
www.asa-soaring.org

"ADP" wrote in message
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I don't mean to be unkind here or diminish the tragic event, but who
finishes a loop in a glider at 600' AGL?
Or, unless in an airshow, any other kind of aircraft?
Just wondering.

Allan

Anyone who has an FAA aerobatic altitude waiver. I've seen many loops end
significantly lower than 600'.
mm

"mm" wrote in message ...

Anyone who has an FAA aerobatic altitude waiver. I've seen many loops end
significantly lower than 600'.
mm

Well I don't have a Letter of Authority to perform low altitude
aerobatics, but I do have a LOA for another area. The letter is
excruciatingly specific about what I am and am not permitted to do. I
hope for Turf and Roy's sake that all conditions on said letter were
complied with.

Terry Claussen wrote:


Well I don't have a Letter of Authority to perform low altitude
aerobatics, but I do have a LOA for another area. The letter is
excruciatingly specific about what I am and am not permitted to do. I
hope for Turf and Roy's sake that all conditions on said letter were
complied with.
Compared to what he has lost already, what the FAA can take is
insignificant.

http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/182980-1.html

It sound familiar because it is.

A very poignant piece, but inappropriate to the subject of this
thread. I'd have preferred to read it without the implication that it
described, in part or whole, the cause of the accident at Turf. Let's
let the FAA do its job of finding causes and suggesting corrections.
Meanwhile, we should divorce these tangents from the event by pursuing
them as independent threads.

"Terry Claussen" wrote in message
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http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/182980-1.html

It sound familiar because it is.

You have no clue as to what a disservice this does to the folks at Turf.
They have flown thousands of aerobatic flights without an accident until
this one. It was a midair with a plane going through the middle of the
aerobatic box so has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the article
you referenced therefore is not "familiar". This accident could have
occurred at 5000 feet. Please review the facts prior to posting next time.
And for God's sake think about the families and friends involved before
putting this on a public forum.

Casey Lenox
Phoenix

"Kilo Charlie" wrote in message news:22HNb.8888$Xq2.5042@fed1read07...
Please review the facts prior to posting next time.
And for God's sake think about the families and friends involved before
putting this on a public forum.

Casey Lenox
Phoenix

Mr. Lennox,

The facts are similar and involve the risks accepted by low altitude
aerobatics. I guarantee that risk was not contemplated by the
passenger. The creation of an aerobatic box is not some type of
shield that will protect your aircraft. Only your eyes and your
actions can do that.

In my 25 years in aviation, I think daily about families and friends.
Friends I have already lost. These accidents should not be swept
under the rug, for if they are then we are all the worse for it. We
should all resolve to make today safer than yesterday.

I have spoken with the author of that piece, it is NOT about Turf, and
it was not my intention to imply that it was. The ultimate result of
these types of accidents are further restrictions on aviation to the
detriment of us all. I hope you will be able to see that, someday.

Respectfully,
Terry Claussen

I have seen many loops finishing below 600ft QFE, I have done them myself.

I have also seen a tug which had been damaged by being hit by a two seat
glider which had been doing a spin for training purposes at a reasonable
height, luckily everyone landed uninjured and with no further damage.

Collision is now one of the biggest hazards in gliding, and in the U.K. we
have unfortunately had several reminders that even very experienced and
current pilots are not exempt. Having plenty of height and being
predictable are a help, but not enough in themselves.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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"ADP" wrote in message
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I don't mean to be unkind here or diminish the tragic event, but who
finishes a loop in a glider at 600' AGL?

Or, unless in an airshow, any other kind of aircraft?

Just wondering.

Allan