Puchaz spin count 23 and counting

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Chris OCallaghan wrote:
"I know of one instructor who was asked to start to spin a Puchacz at
800
feet above the ground as part of his annual instructor check.

Presumably this was over the radio, and nobody liked him anyway?
I read some of these altitudes folks are doing this stuff, and
I put my head in my hands...

When I did aerobatics, it was always 5000ft floor (expected termination
of the manuever) if you had chutes, 3000 feet floor if no chutes.

I just read Bill Dean's post and the quote from the BGA instructor's manual, to wit:

"As this training progresses, it is necessary to introduce brief spins where
the ground is noticeably close. This is to ensure that the trainee will
take the correct recovery action even when the nose is down and the ground
approaching. A very experienced instructor flying a docile two seater in
ideal conditions may be prepared to initiate a brief spin from 800'. A
less docile two seater with a less experienced instructor, or less than
ideal conditions, should raise the minimum height considerably."

Dumb.

Chris,

When, where and with whom did you train as a gliding instructor?

Have you any experience of the K13, which is typically the type of glider
which would be used in the U.K. for this type of training?

Which type of glider do you use when you give training in spin entry and
recovery?

Have you any experience of gliding accident investigation, or acquaintance
with those who have?

Do you have any idea how the U.K. record of solo stall/spin accidents
compares with that in the U.S.A.? (I don't).

In other words, do you really know what you are talking about when you
criticise U.K. methods of stall/spin training?

Bill.

W.J. (Bill) Dean (U.K.).
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"Chris OCallaghan" wrote in message
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I just read Bill Dean's post and the quote from the BGA instructor's
manual, to wit:

"As this training progresses, it is necessary to introduce brief spins
where the ground is noticeably close. This is to ensure that the trainee
will take the correct recovery action even when the nose is down and the
ground approaching. A very experienced instructor flying a docile two
seater in ideal conditions may be prepared to initiate a brief spin from
800'. A less docile two seater with a less experienced instructor, or
less than ideal conditions, should raise the minimum height considerably."

Dumb.

No Bill, I don't know a goddam thing. I happened on this newsgroup
several years ago and determined it was so threadbare that I could
post without any knowledge of the subject at all and blend right in.
Over the months and years, I became bolder. I read a few books. I'm an
avid reader, and I don't really care what... Knauff, Piggot, Welch,
Reichmann, Langeweische, et al. I now feel like I know more about the
sport than most of the people who post to this group. I guess you
could say I've become a white paper expert. And frankly, from the
outside looking in, this is about the dumbest exercise I've ever seen
wrapped in the trappings of reasoned cause and effect.

Organizations get things wrong. My gliding association, right or
wrong, may it always be right rings a little hollow.