Any news from IGC?

tango4 wrote:
Not sure if this is pertinent but free distance tasks are not acceptable for
badge flights

Yes they are ! Either free distance in straight line or free distance
with up to 3 (predeclared) turn points

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Denis

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Denis wrote:
tango4 wrote:
Not sure if this is pertinent but free distance tasks are not acceptable for
badge flights

Yes they are ! Either free distance in straight line or free distance
with up to 3 (predeclared) turn points

I have to point out a confusion that I had as well about
definitions.

A "free 3TP" task means the 3 turnpoints are declared
before the flight, but the order of the turnpoints, and
whether 1,2,or all 3 turnpoints are claimed
is declared after the flight. I haven't seen this clearly explained
anywhere but on some of the declaration forms themselves.

This is different from what I would conceptually
consider "free," which is when three turnpoins would
be chosen after the flight from the three points on the gps trace
which are furthest apart.

Anyone with more comment on this please correct me if
this is mistaken...I've only flown one free 3TP record,
and the "free 3TP" task and form were what I used.


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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA

Mark James Boyd wrote:

I have to point out a confusion that I had as well about
definitions.

A "free 3TP" task means the 3 turnpoints are declared
before the flight, but the order of the turnpoints, and
whether 1,2,or all 3 turnpoints are claimed
is declared after the flight. I haven't seen this clearly explained
anywhere but on some of the declaration forms themselves.

You're right twice. It is correct (for badges), and not clear at all :-(((

This is different from what I would conceptually
consider "free," which is when three turnpoins would
be chosen after the flight from the three points on the gps trace
which are furthest apart.

That's the "free distance with up to 3 turn points for records"

Anyone with more comment on this please correct me if
this is mistaken...I've only flown one free 3TP record,
and the "free 3TP" task and form were what I used.

In short, the "free 3TP" is free for records, and declared (except the
finish point and the sequence) for badges.

This may be explained by historical reasons, but nowadays it is a full
nonsense : the logic would implie that there be "free 3TP" -- like
actual 3 TP for records -- and (declared) 3 TP -- like actual 3 TP for
badges, but with declared finish point and TP sequence.

Furthermore, there should be an additionnal record category for
"declared 3TP" now that every other type of task ( straight distance,
out&return, triangles) have both declared and free records !

But is IGC any logical ? :-(((

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Denis

R. Parce que ça rompt le cours normal de la conversation !!!
Q. Pourquoi ne faut-il pas répondre au-dessus de la question ?

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Denis wrote:
Mark James Boyd wrote:

I have to point out a confusion that I had as well about
definitions.

A "free 3TP" task means the 3 turnpoints are declared
before the flight, but the order of the turnpoints, and
whether 1,2,or all 3 turnpoints are claimed
is declared after the flight. I haven't seen this clearly explained
anywhere but on some of the declaration forms themselves.

You're right twice. It is correct (for badges), and not clear at all :-(((

This is different from what I would conceptually
consider "free," which is when three turnpoins would
be chosen after the flight from the three points on the gps trace
which are furthest apart.

That's the "free distance with up to 3 turn points for records"

Anyone with more comment on this please correct me if
this is mistaken...I've only flown one free 3TP record,
and the "free 3TP" task and form were what I used.

In short, the "free 3TP" is free for records, and declared (except the
finish point and the sequence) for badges.

This may be explained by historical reasons, but nowadays it is a full
nonsense : the logic would implie that there be "free 3TP" -- like
actual 3 TP for records -- and (declared) 3 TP -- like actual 3 TP for
badges, but with declared finish point and TP sequence.

Furthermore, there should be an additionnal record category for
"declared 3TP" now that every other type of task ( straight distance,
out&return, triangles) have both declared and free records !

Well, you've done a much better job clarifying that. I didn't
know the record "free 3TP" could be points declared after the
flight. Interesting...
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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA