Thermal right, land left

Bruce,
Are you referring to a Standard Cirrus or the Open version ? If it is
a Standard, the force to open the airbrakes from locked position
should be set at about 20 Kg (44 lb force). With this unlock
requirement, I don't think just rubbing your arm along the lever would
unlock the brakes.
Cheers, John G. (Std Cirrus #672)

"Bruce Greeff" wrote in message
...
I'm so tight in my Cirrus I can inadvertently open the airbrakes by
moving my
left arm back.

There is enough friction between my arm and the actuator to overcome
the
geometric lock.

Quite exciting when you do that on your first single seater launch
in a Cirrus
on a winch...

Uri Saovray wrote:
Sure, but that doesn't take care of INADVERTENT opening of the
spoilers. Examples: weak geometric lock + some turbulence;
Dual-command + some confusion in the other seat; You can probably
think of more examples...
Uri

Pete Zeugma wrote in
message ...

At 22:18 14 March 2004, Uri Saovray wrote:

Speaking of simple warning devices:
How about a simple hookup to a horn which is activated
when the
airbrakes are opened while the towhook is engaged (i.e.
open spoilers
during tow)?
A microswitch on the airbrake levers would be the no-brainer
part.
What about the towhook? Magnetic sensor? where? How?




Other ideas?


how about the last 'B' in CB-SIFT-CB i've always found
it to be a no-brainer personally, and its completely
free! Usually accompanied by the guy who attaches the
towrope/cable saying that phrase 'brakes closed and
locked?'

Hi John

Std Cirrus - I know the geometric lock needs adjusting...
Mine goes at 5-10kg which is WAY out of spec - although it was set by a
professional at last inspection.

Bruce

Jack,

You are right. I take back everything I have said
about the PW5.

Now, if you will excuse me... Me and my distorted
personality need to get back to writing letters to
Schumacher and Barrichello informing them that their
'Mine is bigger than yours' attitude is ruining Formula
One. Whilst I am at it, I might inform John Coutts
(top ranked glider pilot in the World) that he has
'too much money and not enough character'.

Are you honestly suggesting that people should WANT
to sell their beautiful German sailplanes and buy PW5s?

Have you ever flown a glider?

Ben.


Right on! And exactly why we get so many arrogant and
ultimately ignorant
remarks concerning the so-called inadequacies of the
PW-5. Clearly, too many
people don't understand the concept of competition.
It is not about what you
show up with on the trailer, but about what you can
do with it in the air.
Neither the choice of the PW-5 nor the parameters established
for the WC
Glider selection process are the source of the problem.

The 'Mine is bigger than yours,' syndrome will ruin
the World Class just as
it has ruined other forms of vehicle-based competition.
Classes which were
originally established to facilitate development of
skill and commitment to
a sport at reasonable cost are falling prey to the
'too much money and not
enough character' syndrome on every side. The bitter
and unreasoning
criticisms of the PW-5 on this forum are clear evidence
of the kind of
distorted personalities which are behind this unfortunate
phenomenon.

People who are real competitors are competitive on
skateboards, lawnmowers,
1-26s, or jet fighters, and using the excuse that the
equipment is not up to
your exalted standards is, on its face, little more
than a childish excuse
for personal inadequacy.


Jack

On 3/15/04 6:15 AM, in article ,
"Ben Flewett" wrote:

...[Schumacher's and Barrichello's] 'Mine is bigger than yours' attitude
is ruining Formula One [and] John Coutts' (top ranked glider pilot in the
World)...has 'too much money and not enough character'.

As might easily have been anticipated, you have taken the egoist's approach
to my remarks concerning unwarranted criticisms of the PW-5 and of the World
Class concept. A F1 Ferrari is as unsuited to the Baja off-road race as an
ASW 27b is to the World Class. It would be irrational to think otherwise,
no?

If one chooses not to fly a PW-5 because the level of competition of which
one is capable requires a mount far more esoteric, then by all means choose
the more suitable ship. But that hardly justifies the near hatred expressed
here towards the PW-5. The PW-5 has its place. The fact that it has not been
universally adopted says more, I believe, about the psychology of the
sailplane enthusiast than it does about the capabilities of the aircraft.


Are you honestly suggesting that people should WANT
to sell their beautiful German sailplanes and buy PW5s?

I'm suggesting (and I wonder why you are not) that I couldn't care less what
aircraft someone chooses to fly, but only about how well they fly it, and
ultimately what I might learn from them (and about them) in the process.


Have you ever flown a glider?

Certainly, though not well enough and not often enough -- do you suppose
that is the glider's fault?



Jack

Well not so sure Jack does not have a point, Ben.
In your post dated 10 March at 10:12-

In 5 sentences you managed to,
1.) Use 'I' six times
2.) Mention your latest ship twice
3.) Mention your first ship once
4.) Use 'overprice rubbish' to describe other's aircraft

So maybe that stereotype of the 'gl***hole' has some
validity.





At 12:24 15 March 2004, Ben Flewett wrote:
Jack,

You are right. I take back everything I have said
about the PW5.
SNIP
Are you honestly suggesting that people should WANT
to sell their beautiful German sailplanes and buy PW5s?

Have you ever flown a glider?

Ben.

Stewart,

You must be more bored than me.

In response to the four points you raise below:

1) So what?
2) So what?
3) So what?
4) Someone made a similarly derogatory remark about
my sailplane type a few postings ago - I was not offended
as they are entitled to their opinion.

The fact remains - you can't dictate to people what
they _should_ want. Otherwise, the World Class would
be a roaring success and I would be wrong. But (sadly)
it's not and I'm not.

Regards,

Ben.


At 16:54 15 March 2004, Stewart Kissel wrote:
Well not so sure Jack does not have a point, Ben.
In your post dated 10 March at 10:12-

In 5 sentences you managed to,
1.) Use 'I' six times
2.) Mention your latest ship twice
3.) Mention your first ship once
4.) Use 'overprice rubbish' to describe other's aircraft

So maybe that stereotype of the 'gl***hole' has some
validity.





At 12:24 15 March 2004, Ben Flewett wrote:
Jack,

You are right. I take back everything I have said
about the PW5.
SNIP
Are you honestly suggesting that people should WANT
to sell their beautiful German sailplanes and buy PW5s?

Have you ever flown a glider?

Ben.

At 19:00 15 March 2004, Liam Finley wrote:
Liam-

A few years ago I was shopping for a glider. Peak
Soaring in Colorado was going full blast at the time
and pushing PW5's hard. I went and test flew one.


The price and performance did not make sense for me,
so I looked elsewhere. Curiously the guy who ran Peak
Soaring and was pushing PW's was one of the reasons
I did not investigate them further, like you and Ben
he was a chest-beater. Check some of the old flame
wars from him. Hell most of what you two say I agree
with-but the tone I can live without. It serves no
purpose IMHO.

I suppose the PW group will probably learn from the
1-26ers and take their efforts to their own web site
to avoid the abuse. That is to bad because the 1-26er's
are a great bunch of guys.




If PW-5 owners are really as content as they claim
to be, why are they
so touchy and defensive?

SNIP.

If PW-5'ers did more flying and less whining perhaps
they could
convince us otherwise.

Stewart Kissel wrote in message ...
I suppose the PW group will probably learn from the
1-26ers and take their efforts to their own web site
to avoid the abuse. That is to bad because the 1-26er's
are a great bunch of guys.


Indeed, the PWer's could learn alot from the 1-26er's. The 1-26er's
fly alot more, and spend less time feeling sorry for themselves. I
can respect that.

At 19:24 15 March 2004, G.Kurek wrote:
And you think that you can find a legitimate company
that will make
LS-4 in the same price range? Where/how do I put down
payment?!!

You missed my point.....If it was an LS4 class you
wouldn't need a new one, you could fly a second hand
one (which you can get for equivalent or cheaper price).
If you wanted a new one then you could pay extra and
have a new one, though I don't understand why you would.
Composite gliders in general have a much longer life
in terms of hours and launches than you would ever
need, and if you want it shiny you can get it re-gelled
in poland pretty cheap (or even do it yourself).
My point is that designing a new glider for the world
class was a mistake, as was most of the design philosophy
behind the concept. If you want proof then just look
at the number of people that bother buying them/entering
the world class.
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.
Just my opinion.

Jon Meyer wrote:
I have no problem with people that fly any kind of
glider, I just think that as a one-class contest design
the PW5 was a complete failure, and that a class incorporating
an existing 20ish year old design would have been much
more succesful.

If you believe that, then the glider you desire so much would NOT be an
LS4, because at the beginning of the World Class discussions, the LS4
was only 5 years old and competitive in the Standard Class. So, using
your criteria, a "20ish year old design" would be a Standard Cirrus! It
costs just as much to build a Standard Cirrus as an LS4, would you buy
one, or would you say, "Why should I buy a World Class Cirrus when for
less money I can get a used LS4?".

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